Incident in Jena,La.

[Low Key]

To be fair, he never received medical treatment for the beer bottle to head incident. Which might lead one to think it didn't actually happen. Unless the town is filled with Whites Only hospitals, which wouldn't surprise me at this point.

IRT to the firearm theft, is threatening someone with a gun to their face not illegal? I mean, I know it wasn't when the police did it to me, even though they were breaking and entering, but still, is there no law against threats on people's lives?

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Darnit Taso, ya beat me to it!

[RedBean]

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He CLAIMED he was beaten with beer bottles, hit in the head, etc, yet never went to a hospital or a doctor. No marks of stitches.

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The white victim in the "attempted murder" case CLAIMED to have been beaten within inches of his life, despite showing up at a school dance 2 hours afterwards.

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You get hit in the head with a beer bottle, you need stitches.


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Touche...if you get beaten to within inches of your life, you don't be going to school dances two hours later.

Beer bottle or not:

White attackers + black victim = misdemeanor simple assault
Black attackers + white victin = felony attempted murder

Same DA, only days apart, stemming from the same racial tensions....wildly different results, based solely on skin color.

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And the gun situation is so clouded, the way I've been hearing it, it's hard to know exactly what happened there. But the police made their charges based on eye witness testimony.

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Why doesn't the same "cloud" of doubt or reliance on eyewitness testimony exist for the Jena 6?

No one knows for sure what happened during the beating either, but since they are black, it doesn't matter.

Only when the attackers are white, the police have to be certain?

Of the 44 eyewitnesses interviewed on the beating, none of them could agree on who the attackers even were...only that they were black.

That was good enough for the cops, and good enough for the DA, and apparently good enough for you.

[Money2Burn]

I saw a guy get a beer bottle smashed across his head and it didn't even phase him, he proceded to beat the piss out of the assailant. The bottle didn't cut him or leave any marks that were too noticable.

Suprisingly this was a fight between two rednecks at a party in the middle of nowhere in the south...

[Taso]

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He CLAIMED he was beaten with beer bottles, hit in the head, etc, yet never went to a hospital or a doctor. No marks of stitches.

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The white victim in the "attempted murder" case CLAIMED to have been beaten within inches of his life, despite showing up at a school dance 2 hours afterwards.

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You get hit in the head with a beer bottle, you need stitches.


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Touche...if you get beaten to within inches of your life, you don't be going to school dances two hours later.

Beer bottle or not:

White attackers + black victim = misdemeanor simple assault
Black attackers + white victin = felony attempted murder

Same DA, only days apart, stemming from the same racial tensions....wildly different results, based solely on skin color.

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And the gun situation is so clouded, the way I've been hearing it, it's hard to know exactly what happened there. But the police made their charges based on eye witness testimony.

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Why doesn't the same "cloud" of doubt or reliance on eyewitness testimony exist for the Jena 6?

No one knows for sure what happened during the beating either, but since they are black, it doesn't matter.

Only when the attackers are white, the police have to be certain?

Of the 44 eyewitnesses interviewed on the beating, none of them could agree on who the attackers even were...only that they were black.

That was good enough for the cops, and good enough for the DA, and apparently good enough for you.

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I didn't hear one of the protestors today argue that the people didn't beat the kid up, they argued that he shouldn't be charged with a crime because its racist to charge black people with crimes. (Kidding here, obviously)

The white victim, by the way, was unconciouss and hospitalized as a result.

The "cloud" I was referring to wasn't to the testimony, it was to the story. According to wikipedia (and the court transcript), the white person left the scene and was followed to his car where he picked up a weapon. In an act of self defense, this is totally justified. <This is all very vague though, but it does indicate that whitey was acting in self defense, and the eye witness testimony seems to corroborate this.

[Low Key]

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I saw a guy get a beer bottle smashed across his head and it didn't even phase him.

Suprisingly this was a fight between two rednecks at a party in the middle of nowhere in the south...

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That doesn't surprise me.

[RedBean]

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I didn't hear one of the protestors today argue that the people didn't beat the kid up, they argued that he shouldn't be charged with a crime because its racist to charge black people with crimes. (Kidding here, obviously)


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Protesters aside, if you were familiar with the trial, you'd hear his defense attorney argue it, and you'd see an all-white jury of his 'peers' discard it completely and convict.
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The white victim, by the way, was unconciouss and hospitalized as a result.


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It was "claimed" he was knocked unconcious, and his "hospitilization" amounted to an emergency room visit to treat minor cuts and abrasions.....released with a few band-aids and was at the school dance two hours later.

Notice how when the black victim claimed he was beaten by a beer bottle, you questioned the veracity and discarded it....yet when a white victim claims he was unconcious, it is somehow viewed as gospel truth?

Why is that?

What makes you inherently more trusting of one over the other, especially considering all you know about them is skin color?

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According to wikipedia (and the court transcript), the white person left the scene and was followed to his car where he picked up a weapon. In an act of self defense, this is totally justified. <This is all very vague though, but it does indicate that whitey was acting in self defense, and the eye witness testimony seems to corroborate this.

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The eyewitness testimony of his fellow white acquaintences, sure, I bet it does support it.

The eyewitness testimony of the black victims says something entirely different.

Odd how you choose to believe one and discard the other.

Either way, indisputable facts in evidence show that the shotgun was registered to the white assailant, but the vehicle belonged to one of his friends.

How many people keep their guns in other people's cars?

Seems far more likely a trio of hillbilly's piled in the car and brought the gun along to harass some black youths, and had to weasel their way out with the nice little cover story once they got disarmed and rebuffed.

[Low Key]

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The white victim, by the way, was unconciouss and hospitalized as a result.


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It was "claimed" he was knocked unconcious, and his "hospitilization" amounted to an emergency room visit to treat minor cuts and abrasions.....released with a few band-aids and was at the school dance two hours later.

Notice how when the black victim claimed he was beaten by a beer bottle, you questioned the veracity and discarded it....yet when a white victim claims he was unconcious, it is somehow viewed as gospel truth?

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Well, I wouldn't say "gospel truth", but the few reports I've read said he was sent to the hospital for the 6 man beat down, and only the beer bottle fellow claims to have been hit over the head. I didn't read any of his friends agreeing with this or any eye witnesses.

This part of the discussion has nothing to do with skin color. All we have to go off of is what we've read. Which is hard enough to trust as it is.

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According to wikipedia (and the court transcript), the white person left the scene and was followed to his car where he picked up a weapon. In an act of self defense, this is totally justified. <This is all very vague though, but it does indicate that whitey was acting in self defense, and the eye witness testimony seems to corroborate this.

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The eyewitness testimony of his fellow white acquaintences, sure, I bet it does support it.

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I think the gun incident had to be culled together from eye witness accounts because all those involved had stories that differed too greatly. I can only assume the police talked to the people who saw what happened on an individual basis. This being the case, it's safe to assume that what was reported was actually what happened. Because, if 5 people said he was followed to the car, and a sixth said they were beating him while he was making his way to the car, it's pretty obvious who's not being honest. But again, I don't know the police's interrogation tactics, so I can't be sure of what really happened.

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Seems far more likely a trio of hillbilly's piled in the car and brought the gun along to harass some black youths, and had to weasel their way out with the nice little cover story once they got disarmed and rebuffed.

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Nice that you're so racist against white people with this particular conspiracy theory, but again, the testimony of those involved in this incident, as I've read, was disregarded because of inaccuracies/disparities.

[Taso]

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What makes you inherently more trusting of one over the other, especially considering all you know about them is skin color?


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The fact that one actually went to a hospital for his injuries, which were verified, and the other claims he was severely beaten, yet has no hospital statement to back him up. Don't even consider skin color here, are you telling me one of these doesn't sound more credible than the other?

As for the shotgun thing again, this is exactly why I said it was cloudy. All we have to go one are eye witness testimony, which, by the way, lean heavily my way. But I'm not saying that makes it fact, I'm saying its essentially useless to discuss, because we can't really guess here what happened.

With the actual assaults, we can use hospital documents to give us a better idea of what happened.

[Low Key]

Oh Taso, you're so silly! Don't you know the white doctors in the white hospital would naturally go along with the story from the white guy that he was white unconcious and had a swollen white eye? ...White. /sarcasm

[RedBean]

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This part of the discussion has nothing to do with skin color.

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I wish that were the case, but truth be told if we could magically reverse the skin color of those involved, I have a hard time believing the DA would be pursuing attempted murder charges on a 16-year old white kid for beating up a black kid.

Nor do I think the DA would file robbery charges on a white kid for disarming a black attacker of his firearm.

I've had my own experiences in Jonesville, right next door to Jena, to know that racism is rampant in these small towns, and skin color is the deciding factor with the police department and DA.