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09-17-2007, 06:18 PM
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Re: And His Point Is?.....
uhhhh, that was his point.
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09-17-2007, 06:20 PM
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[ QUOTE ] So morals and ethics aside, is raping your sister really such a bad idea? [/ QUOTE ] Just think of the sexual satisfaction boon it would produce for other Americans. (The point of this remark is that of course putting morals and ethics aside a lot of awful actions can be justified. Such a question is ridiculous -- you are saying if we put aside morals and ethics, is murdering innocents to pad our wallets really a bad idea?) [/ QUOTE ] Why does that make the question ridiculous? Have not many nations and tribes done exactly that throughout history? A related question: how deep do you think the veneer of civilization and morals really is?
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09-17-2007, 06:20 PM
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uhhhh, that was his point. [/ QUOTE ] His point is that murdering innocent people to steal their property is okay if you put morals and ethics aside? So what is the point here?
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09-17-2007, 06:22 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So morals and ethics aside, is raping your sister really such a bad idea? [/ QUOTE ] Just think of the sexual satisfaction boon it would produce for other Americans. (The point of this remark is that of course putting morals and ethics aside a lot of awful actions can be justified. Such a question is ridiculous -- you are saying if we put aside morals and ethics, is murdering innocents to pad our wallets really a bad idea?) [/ QUOTE ] Why does that make the question ridiculous? Have not many nations and tribes done exactly that throughout history? A related question: how deep do you think the veneer of civilization and morals really is? [/ QUOTE ] What is your point? Morals and ethics aside, you can justify war? Whoopdefreakingdoo. I can do the same and justify raping your daughter. What's your point?
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#65
09-17-2007, 06:24 PM
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Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm frequently amazed at how often people set aside this first-grade lesson when justifying their actions.
Any judgment of a war that sets aside moral and ethical issues is an invalid judgment.
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#67
09-17-2007, 06:33 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So morals and ethics aside, is raping your sister really such a bad idea? [/ QUOTE ] Just think of the sexual satisfaction boon it would produce for other Americans. (The point of this remark is that of course putting morals and ethics aside a lot of awful actions can be justified. Such a question is ridiculous -- you are saying if we put aside morals and ethics, is murdering innocents to pad our wallets really a bad idea?) [/ QUOTE ] Why does that make the question ridiculous? Have not many nations and tribes done exactly that throughout history? A related question: how deep do you think the veneer of civilization and morals really is? [/ QUOTE ] What is your point? Morals and ethics aside, you can justify war? Whoopdefreakingdoo. I can do the same and justify raping your daughter. What's your point? [/ QUOTE ] Throughout history many wars have been enacted almost entirely for gain, morals and ethics aside. What makes you think that couldn't happen today, and with the USA? Tweak conditions a bit and I'll bet it could happen, though when nations wage war usually some excuse goes along with it.
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09-17-2007, 06:35 PM
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Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm frequently amazed at how often people set aside this first-grade lesson when justifying their actions. Any judgment of a war that sets aside moral and ethical issues is an invalid judgment. [/ QUOTE ] So what do you think about the many wars that historically have been waged for gain? What did the perpetrators think about "wrong and right"?
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09-17-2007, 06:35 PM
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Throughout history many wars have been enacted almost entirely for gain, morals and ethics aside. What makes you think that couldn't happen today, and with the USA? Tweak conditions a bit and I'll bet it could happen, though when nations wage war usually some excuse goes along with it. [/ QUOTE ] I agree completely. Maybe we were talking past each other as your post seemed that you were justifying such behavior, when it now appears you are merely describing such behavior. If so, my bad.
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#70
09-17-2007, 06:38 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Any judgment of a war that sets aside moral and ethical issues is an invalid judgment. [/ QUOTE ] I don't know about invalid, but its certainly irrelevant. [/ QUOTE ] So how would you explain the many wars throughout history that have been waged for gain? I don't think "invalid" or "irrelevant" have much to do with those real cases. I'm trying to take a realist's view of the situation. Morals and ethics usually only go so far when it gets to the nitty-gritty. The world operates on ethics and morals only to an extent, and that extent changes with conditions and perceptions.
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