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Old 09-13-2007, 09:03 PM
Taraz Taraz is offline
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Default Mises and \"New Atheism\"

One of my big gripes with the new brand of atheism championed by Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens is that they don't offer an alternative. They seem to simply say, "don't believe in God, it's dumb." Even though I agree to a certain extent, you can't just ask people to abandon a major part of their life and not offer anything to fill it with. And, unfortunately, I don't think science will fill the void.

Anyway, I found an interesting quote for those of you who happen to be both ACists and "militant atheists". It may make you reconsider how you approach religious conversations:

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"An anti-something movement displays a purely negative attitude. It has no chance whatever to succeed. Its passionate diatribes virtually advertise the program they attack. People must fight for something that they want to achieve, not simply reject an evil, however bad it may be."

--Ludwig von Mises


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Old 09-13-2007, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: Mises and \"New Atheism\"

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One of my big gripes with the new brand of atheism championed by Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens is that they don't offer an alternative. They seem to simply say, "don't believe in God, it's dumb."

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The alternative is err... God.
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:10 PM
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Default Re: Mises and \"New Atheism\"

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One of my big gripes with the new brand of atheism championed by Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens is that they don't offer an alternative. They seem to simply say, "don't believe in God, it's dumb."

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The alternative is err... God.

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Objectivism?
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Old 09-14-2007, 01:33 AM
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Objectivism?

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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AYN RAND WAS NOT A PHILOSOPHER
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Old 09-14-2007, 08:22 AM
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Objectivism?

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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AYN RAND WAS NOT A PHILOSOPHER

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Subjectivist?
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Old 09-14-2007, 12:03 PM
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Subjectivist?

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Ayn Rand is to philosophy as the Spice Girls are to music. Do you get it now?
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:12 AM
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Objectivism?

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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AYN RAND WAS NOT A PHILOSOPHER

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good argument.
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Old 09-15-2007, 06:29 AM
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Misfire,

obviously, I am not making an argument. I am asserting that Ayn Rand was not a philosopher.

1. She is not smart.
2. NOTHING she wrote was original
3. She fundamentally misunderstood Kant, Nietzsche, and others.
4. She had a poor knowledge of philosophy, history, economics, and politics, but proclaimed herself an authority on all those subjects.
5. Her literary style is god awful. There are NO serious literatry critics who would give a positive review of any of her works.

etc etc etc
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: Mises and \"New Atheism\"

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One of my big gripes with the new brand of atheism championed by Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens is that they don't offer an alternative. They seem to simply say, "don't believe in God, it's dumb."

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The alternative is err... God.

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There's also the giant spaghetti monster!
Although I think Taraz means that Dawkins and co hate religion and are on a crusade to "unconvert" people
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Old 09-13-2007, 09:17 PM
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Although I think Taraz means that Dawkins and co hate religion and are on a crusade to "unconvert" people

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I think they would claim 'educate"
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