Dealer Comments On Your Play -- What Do You Do? - Page 7

tangled · #61 08-02-2007, 02:21 PM

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I would have said,"Why are you talking to me like you know me?"

Then never tip him again. Unless you have a relationship with the guy, a sarcastic comment like that=NO TIPS EVA, and its not even close. No need to tell the floor.

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At the Mirage, you will be asked to leave the poker room if you announce to the table that you don't intend to tip.

Tipping is a personal decision, once you share your no tipping policy with the table you might be breaking the rules. As I said earlier, go see the floor.

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It just seems to me that that rule wasn't made for this kind of situation. First off, op would not be announcing that he would never tip again, merely that he was not going to tip that particular dealer again. And not for no good reason, but because the dealer did something that was inappropriate and offensive. Who is going to tell the floor person after all? Not the dealer, because he would know, like you pointed out, that the floor would find the dealer's comment inappropriate.

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I would consider responding, with a stern voice and stare:

"Thank you, I am always looking for ways to save money." He will figure out what you are talking about.

AngusThermopyle · #62 08-02-2007, 02:23 PM

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I'm not sure what you mean by private exactly, or why this is a big distinction.

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If you have a problem with Sony, there is no way for me to know about it unless you tell me. If you stop buying Sony, I have no idea that you are boycotting them, or why...unless you tell me.
If you have a problem with Dealer Dan at our table, I can see it. If you don't tip him, I can guess why. And if he is that bad, I won't tip him either. You do not have to make an announcement to the table. Those who understand, will know already. The others will think you are a jerk for making your speech and will go on tipping.

monkeymaps · #63 08-02-2007, 02:25 PM

challenge him heads up for rollz! obv.

*TT* · #64 08-02-2007, 02:26 PM

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Please don't take this as an insult, but your viewing this from the perspective of a dealer who doesn't want the floor to be notified. Management is hired to manage the staff, its best to let them do their job.

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Uh, hardly. First, I don't do this sort of thing until it's well established that the players are fine with it, and even then I don't do it. So you won't be calling the floor on me for this anyway. But even if you did, I wouldn't care. The floor would say, "hey, don't do that," I'd say, "hey, sorry, okay," and that would be the end of it.

To be clear, if this was a table not at all open to such things and a delaer that was inappropriate overall, then yeah, talk to the floor. But if this is just one little thing on a table of fun rowdy joking people... hardly something floor-worthy. And it's not so much the calling the floor that's an over-reaction, it's all the "OMGWTFBBQ THIS IS SO AWFUL CALL THE FLOOR OVER IMMEDIATELY!" type of thinking in general that's an over-reaction.

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ok, I see where we differ. I didn't mean to stop everything and call the floor so action is disrupted, get out of your chair and talk to the floor in private. I agree with you, this is hardly a ZOMYGOD type of situation that calls for the game to stop.

goldtoes · #65 08-02-2007, 02:27 PM

BigBluffer - it looks like you made a pretty good thread

vhawk01 · #66 08-02-2007, 02:33 PM

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I'm not sure what you mean by private exactly, or why this is a big distinction.

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If you have a problem with Sony, there is no way for me to know about it unless you tell me. If you stop buying Sony, I have no idea that you are boycotting them, or why...unless you tell me.
If you have a problem with Dealer Dan at our table, I can see it. If you don't tip him, I can guess why. And if he is that bad, I won't tip him either. You do not have to make an announcement to the table. Those who understand, will know already. The others will think you are a jerk for making your speech and will go on tipping.

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All of that may be true but I don't see what difference it makes. In the Sony example, I am doing whatever I can to inform people of Sony's bad business practices. In the dealer example, this threshold is lower, so I don't HAVE to be as demonstrative. But one isn't any better or worse than the other, and some people aren't observent. I'm not talking about getting a lectern or picket signs or something.

pfapfap · #67 08-02-2007, 02:51 PM

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ok, I see where we differ. I didn't mean to stop everything and call the floor so action is disrupted, get out of your chair and talk to the floor in private. I agree with you, this is hardly a ZOMYGOD type of situation that calls for the game to stop.

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Getting away to talk to the floor is fine, but I still wonder why this is Option 1 ahead of simply asking the dealer not to do that. From the OP, we don't know what sort of environment this is. In our room, many dealers will comment on specific plays in a live pot, which I find wildly inappropriate, so you have to consider the context. But my main point is why let this bother you to the level of talking to floor when a simple comment would suffice? To escalate so quickly puts one in a negative emotional state and takes time away from the table. Maybe I'm not a good poker player, but this seems a double-whammy -EV to me, whereas a simple "hey, please don't" comment solves it immediately with fewest negative consequences for everybody involved. What's wrong with that?

*TT* · #68 08-02-2007, 02:58 PM

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ok, I see where we differ. I didn't mean to stop everything and call the floor so action is disrupted, get out of your chair and talk to the floor in private. I agree with you, this is hardly a ZOMYGOD type of situation that calls for the game to stop.

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Getting away to talk to the floor is fine, but I still wonder why this is Option 1 ahead of simply asking the dealer not to do that. From the OP, we don't know what sort of environment this is. In our room, many dealers will comment on specific plays in a live pot, which I find wildly inappropriate, so you have to consider the context. But my main point is why let this bother you to the level of talking to floor when a simple comment would suffice? To escalate so quickly puts one in a negative emotional state and takes time away from the table. Maybe I'm not a good poker player, but this seems a double-whammy -EV to me, whereas a simple "hey, please don't" comment solves it immediately with fewest negative consequences for everybody involved. What's wrong with that?

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if there are comments at the table by a deal then its likely a 90% chance (if not greater) that this is not an isolated incident. Thats why its best to get management involved, the only way they can fix a problem is by knowing a problem exists.

Don't get me wrong, I hear what you are saying - and sometimes I would take that route as well, but if your looking to solve the problem, not just patch it up during the dealer's down at your table, a one on one with the dealer usually wont do it.

Arito · #69 08-02-2007, 03:25 PM

TT, so you're saying that if you respond with:

"You really aren't supposed to comment on the way we play, sir"

A dealer will not understand what he did was inappropriate? He needs to have it told to him by a superior?

pfapfap · #70 08-02-2007, 03:30 PM

Eh, y'know, I'm coming around to TT's point. Overall, yeah, this is something that the dealer should be told not to do. I was thinking more isolated incident, but he's right, it's rarely that.

My main point, that one should not flip out at something like this, sort of got crossed with TT's rather cryptic and somewhat misleading initial response. At the time, say something to the dealer. If it seems a part of dealer attitude overall more than an isolated misguided attempt to interject humor, consider talking to the floor.