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#61
08-03-2007, 01:44 PM
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Re: who is the best NL hold\'em player?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Whose better at his trade , somebody who cashes a lot or somebdoy with a single "lucky win" (or 2nd place for that matter). Obvious answer is somebody who cashes a lot. True of most professions. Just because a guy got winner once in the stock market and made a HUGE bundle doesn't make him the best in his trade. However, someone who consistently outperforms: cashes higher, and more often: than everyone else, in the long term, could be considered best at their trade. A name on your list may turn out to be that guy, but, I didn't think this was a prognostication (go look it up) contest. [/ QUOTE ] The amount of condescension in your post is ridiculous. I'm 20, not an idiot. If you actually knew anything about actually playing poker whatsoever, you'd know that in tournaments, the results of any tournaments you play in don't matter when determining how good you are. These people I chose make the best decisions to winning the tournament, which is the most +EV way to play them. In the long run, it's much better to have a 'lucky win' than tons of cashes, and it takes much more skill to win a tournament than to cash it repeatedly. You won't believe that this is true, but it is. It's interesting how amazingly correct you think you are when you probably have no experience whatsoever playing high stakes tournament poker. An armchair professional does not get my respect. [/ QUOTE ] "The amount of condescension in your post is ridiculous" --I found that line funny coming from Gobbo, who is one of the most condescending posters on 2+2 (and did anyone see his Aussie Millions interview????). Gobbo is a very good player, but he is not humble, nor is he particularly charitable towards anyone who doesnt play his style of poker. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not afraid to say what's on my mind and I don't care what people think of me. Most people are terrible at poker. OMGClayAiken/Jman/Phil Galfond wrote an awesome article on this topic in a recent Bluff. I'm not condescending, I just don't mind defending myself against people who take shots at me and I speak out against people who think they're awesome and have no clue what they're doing. I have respect for very good poker players but they are few and far between. I try to associate myself with good players in an attempt to improve myself, so when I come into a conversation where people spout garbage and think they're the best in the universe I don't want to hear it. 
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#62
08-03-2007, 01:47 PM
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Re: who is the best NL hold\'em player?
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McCutter, the biggest misconception by the public is that cashes matter at all. The only thing that matters is wins. Yes, I know that Hellmuth has a lot of wins too but to say he's better because he cashed more is ridiculous. [/ QUOTE ] A) Cashes matter B) Final Tables matter more C) Wins matter most You need to Cash before you can Final Table before you can Win. If you dont Cash, you cant Win. Hellmuth's 2007 WSOP results in terms of wins, final tables and cashes are better than your guys (who "crush" him?). Hellmuth's 2006 WSOP results were better. Check any year, Hellmuth's results are probably better than anyone on your internet all-star team. Shaniac, who is a top internet and live player, agreed on this forum that Hellmuth is "one of best all-time NL tournament players." Why do so many other internet pros have a hard time with this concept?
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#63
08-03-2007, 01:57 PM
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Re: who is the best NL hold\'em player?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Whose better at his trade , somebody who cashes a lot or somebdoy with a single "lucky win" (or 2nd place for that matter). Obvious answer is somebody who cashes a lot. True of most professions. Just because a guy got winner once in the stock market and made a HUGE bundle doesn't make him the best in his trade. However, someone who consistently outperforms: cashes higher, and more often: than everyone else, in the long term, could be considered best at their trade. A name on your list may turn out to be that guy, but, I didn't think this was a prognostication (go look it up) contest. [/ QUOTE ] The amount of condescension in your post is ridiculous. I'm 20, not an idiot. If you actually knew anything about actually playing poker whatsoever, you'd know that in tournaments, the results of any tournaments you play in don't matter when determining how good you are. These people I chose make the best decisions to winning the tournament, which is the most +EV way to play them. In the long run, it's much better to have a 'lucky win' than tons of cashes, and it takes much more skill to win a tournament than to cash it repeatedly. You won't believe that this is true, but it is. It's interesting how amazingly correct you think you are when you probably have no experience whatsoever playing high stakes tournament poker. An armchair professional does not get my respect. [/ QUOTE ] "The amount of condescension in your post is ridiculous" --I found that line funny coming from Gobbo, who is one of the most condescending posters on 2+2 (and did anyone see his Aussie Millions interview????). Gobbo is a very good player, but he is not humble, nor is he particularly charitable towards anyone who doesnt play his style of poker. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not afraid to say what's on my mind and I don't care what people think of me. Most people are terrible at poker. OMGClayAiken/Jman/Phil Galfond wrote an awesome article on this topic in a recent Bluff. I'm not condescending, I just don't mind defending myself against people who take shots at me and I speak out against people who think they're awesome and have no clue what they're doing. I have respect for very good poker players but they are few and far between. I try to associate myself with good players in an attempt to improve myself, so when I come into a conversation where people spout garbage and think they're the best in the universe I don't want to hear it. [/ QUOTE ] Right, Phil Galfond... Galfond has posted on this site about how he is so much better than Hellmuth too. WSOP CASHES 2007,2006: Hellmuth 2007: 1st, 6th, 25th, 31st, 95th, 104th Galfond 2007: 18th, 76th Hellmuth 2006: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 13th, 44th, 44th, 67th Galfond 2006: 22nd, 31st I see a trend of overconfident young internet players SAYING they are THE BEST, but not actually WINNING enough live to back that claim up.
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#64
08-03-2007, 03:18 PM
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Re: who is the best NL hold\'em player?
why exactly are wsop events the sole gauge of greatness, mcc? the one area where your idol hellmuth has the best results just happens to be the way you think everyone should be measured?
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#65
08-03-2007, 03:23 PM
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Re: who is the best NL hold\'em player?
i dont know why anyone takes mccutter seriously, hes clearly a troll who takes any chjance to bash online players
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#66
08-03-2007, 03:34 PM
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Re: who is the best NL hold\'em player?
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why exactly are wsop events the sole gauge of greatness, mcc? the one area where your idol hellmuth has the best results just happens to be the way you think everyone should be measured? [/ QUOTE ] The first line of this thread: "who is the best tournament player in your opinion? " WSOP is biggest tourney. Many people on this thread have mentioned Hellmuth as the best tourney player. Others have mentioned internet guys as best tourney players. Any other questions?
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#68
08-03-2007, 03:46 PM
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Re: who is the best NL hold\'em player?
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Then how good is the Grinder in your opinion? He must be so much worse than Hellmuth, he doesn't have a single bracelet! [/ QUOTE ] Gobbo, you're a brilliant thinker and you came up with a great exception to my argument. I wouldnt expect anything less from you. Next flame please...
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#69
08-03-2007, 03:52 PM
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Re: who is the best NL hold\'em player?
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[ QUOTE ] Then how good is the Grinder in your opinion? He must be so much worse than Hellmuth, he doesn't have a single bracelet! [/ QUOTE ] Gobbo, you're a brilliant thinker and you came up with a great exception to my argument. I wouldnt expect anything less from you. Next flame please... [/ QUOTE ] You insulted me instead of answering the question because you have no answer to the question. Awesome. I expect nothing less.
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