($225) a very annoying common spot ITM.

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seriously, how often do good players call a raise 3 handed oop and checkfold. are you kidding me?


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all the time.

[Chipchucker5]

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seriously, how often do good players call a raise 3 handed oop and checkfold. are you kidding me?


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all the time.

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Good players really shouldn't be doing this with these stacks/blinds.

[durron597]

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Good players really shouldn't be doing this with these stacks/blinds.

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if they are, they aren't good players

[Pudge714]

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It's not as standard as you think it is. An ace is a favourite over 2 random hands and we have position. Therefore, if we play perfectly we should be able to make money long run.

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This is irrelevant since you can't play perfectly

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Re: ($225) a very annoying common spot ITM. [Re: ryanghall]
#11295016 - 07/20/07 08:42 AM
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ryan,

if it goes "call, flop no ace, donkbet" we can't do anything but fold. we also can't call a push. that's why i don't like the small raise against tough opponents

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I don't think they donk that often and I don't think fold ace high to the donk that often.

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Would you call an all in w A2o?

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Button shove no. SB shove yes.

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if they call which is unlikely. and ryan throws out a c-bet. of about 1200. i think they fold enough to make it profitable. and if they don't. he'll still be left with 2000 and can go into pushbot mode. and heck he might even hit the flop so he can outright win it that way as well

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Ryan can't bet/fold this flop after raising preflop.

I don't like effing around here because DDBeast who is a good reg is in the hand. Just fold with bad players I would be a lot more inclined to raise t900 or limp.

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Good players really shouldn't be doing this with these stacks/blinds.

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if they are, they aren't good players

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If I raise to 900, it's only 500 more to call. With a hand like, say, T9s it may be the right play to see a flop for the BB. There's 1575 in there already, making it better than 3:1 pot odds so I see no problem with doing this with certain hands in certain situations.

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So some of you are suggesting you raise to 900-1100 with the two extremes of your range? Like with Acrap and with big pairs so that your opponents can't exploit it? I dont know if that is going to work because you get Acrap alot more than big pairs. I dont know, if you can pull this off congrats, it seems pretty difficult in actual practice, in order for it to work you have to do it like 30% of the time with monsters where if your opponent calls and then gets it in with a pair he will lose his whole stack 30% of the time and win preflop action 70% of the time. If this is the case then this situation comes up very very rarely, your talking about like you do this 7% of the time that your on the button with everyone having 10 bbs three way. I think its ok to have A2o be the bottom of your range as a shove here on the button, and its much simpler, if you can pull it off then the raise to 900 might be alright. I would never bet flop if a blind calls and checks to you though. I probly wouldn't bet turn either.