To the Multi-Accounters : some thoughts before this upcoming Sunday

[sheetsworld]

I wonder why no one complains when people think I am helping people I stake...maybe its...oh jdhaskjfhksdhfksah.

I dont get warning letters, I get thank you notes from their opponents.

sheets

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I started this thread to make people aware of the situation. Not to destroy the reputations of people I like.


And the people doing this need to know that we know they are doing it, and don't approve of it. If they still choose to multi-account in the future, they risk one of many people in the know getting pissed and turning them in. -Jeff

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My friends are cheating scumbags! But I like them too much to turn them in! So I will spread vague rumours but do nothing!

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Edit: LOL Sheets

[LuckyLloyd]

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...8&fpart=all

Surely the above thread removes any doubt that Gobboboy was heavily involved in the Sunday Million win?

[gobboboy]

For the love of christ, people, I helped matt, yes, but he made all the final decisions and there were a lot of things that I disagreed with at the final table. That hand was one result of tons of people shouting [censored] at him, but he made all the decisions himself. I wouldn't lie, because even if I did tell him how to play the final table, IT WOULDN'T BE WRONG.

Just drop the subject.

[stealthmunk]

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For the love of christ, people, I helped matt, yes, but he made all the final decisions and there were a lot of things that I disagreed with at the final table. That hand was one result of tons of people shouting [censored] at him, but he made all the decisions himself. I wouldn't lie, because even if I did tell him how to play the final table, IT WOULDN'T BE WRONG.

Just drop the subject.

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Actually, I think there is an argument that you would be a 50% multiaccounter as you entered the same tournament, and had 50%, you technically played 1.5 accounts.

I engage in this process and wonder the ethics behind it and it is obviously relevant to the whole multiaccount fiasco.

Why would we drop this insanely relevant subject to the online poker MTT world?

[RandALLin]

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I wonder why no one complains when people think I am helping people I stake...maybe its...oh jdhaskjfhksdhfksah.

I dont get warning letters, I get thank you notes from their opponents.

sheets

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i lol'd

[MelchyBeau]

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Well, there is no longer a grey line. There is no excuse. Multi-accounting tournaments is cheating! The sites have all specifically stated that this is cheating. Examples have been made and hundreds of thousands of dollars have been taken from people, accounts banned and more, to make it clear that this is cheating.

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There was never a gray line. How one could think it was, I have no idea.


I don't know if you were playing high stakes MTTs over 2 years ago, but there was a period of time when the TOC of UltimateBet did not even state that entering a tournament on more than one account was not allowed.

idiot who posted above,

Last response to these clown like posts. I don't give a [censored]. FYI there are plenty of people who multi account and who I am not friends with or outright dislike. That has nothing to do with it. I have 0 obligation to out someone doing something prohibited by the sites. There are dozens who have names like me who could report people if they wanted to. People who can say "I know who is doing this, and will report them in the future if they do it in the future" right now. They haven't done that yet. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they are like me and feel like they don't have the authority to do such a thing, and that it would place their own well being in jeopardy. It would be different if this was a ring of people colluding or something like that. I consider that to be different, and thats my opinion, and if you feel differently and want to be judgemental then that is your call but just be happy that I made this post to at least ATTEMPT to cut down on this practice and stfu with the personal attacks.

None of those guys wanted to take the initiative to start this thread though. So I'm doing it, because I want people to know about this, and I want the poker community to decide what to do about this on their own. People still multi-account, still act like it is acceptable as long as they can evade detection, and still brag about their multi accounting wins to their friends. Everyone should know this. Everyone should agree this is unethical and what actions they choose to take is completely their decision.

I did not make this post to impose on anyone with my opinions, I made it as a public service announcement to the MTT community. What opinions they form, and what they choose to do, is their decision.

-Jeff

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Jeff,

I don't see what exactly you are doing to decrease the multi accounting. You are not outing anyone as a multi accounter, you even say you won't snitch on them. You are telling a bunch of people HEY GUYS THERE ARE SOME GUYS CHEATING, I KNOW WHO THEY ARE, BUT I'M NOT TELLING. What is that doing?

nothing at all. If you want to change this. Do it. Grow some balls and out people. Report them. You aren't going to guilt people into changing, at best you will force people to be quiet about it. But all that does is hide the problem not fix it. Do you think there are people here saying 'Oh no Action Jeff is upset with me, I'm gonna change'. Probably not.

Unless the thread contains names and evidence, then starting this thread really is not going to help change this situation.

[BadgerPro]

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Well, there is no longer a grey line. There is no excuse. Multi-accounting tournaments is cheating! The sites have all specifically stated that this is cheating. Examples have been made and hundreds of thousands of dollars have been taken from people, accounts banned and more, to make it clear that this is cheating.

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There was never a gray line. How one could think it was, I have no idea.


I don't know if you were playing high stakes MTTs over 2 years ago, but there was a period of time when the TOC of UltimateBet did not even state that entering a tournament on more than one account was not allowed.

idiot who posted above,

Last response to these clown like posts. I don't give a [censored]. FYI there are plenty of people who multi account and who I am not friends with or outright dislike. That has nothing to do with it. I have 0 obligation to out someone doing something prohibited by the sites. There are dozens who have names like me who could report people if they wanted to. People who can say "I know who is doing this, and will report them in the future if they do it in the future" right now. They haven't done that yet. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they are like me and feel like they don't have the authority to do such a thing, and that it would place their own well being in jeopardy. It would be different if this was a ring of people colluding or something like that. I consider that to be different, and thats my opinion, and if you feel differently and want to be judgemental then that is your call but just be happy that I made this post to at least ATTEMPT to cut down on this practice and stfu with the personal attacks.

None of those guys wanted to take the initiative to start this thread though. So I'm doing it, because I want people to know about this, and I want the poker community to decide what to do about this on their own. People still multi-account, still act like it is acceptable as long as they can evade detection, and still brag about their multi accounting wins to their friends. Everyone should know this. Everyone should agree this is unethical and what actions they choose to take is completely their decision.

I did not make this post to impose on anyone with my opinions, I made it as a public service announcement to the MTT community. What opinions they form, and what they choose to do, is their decision.

-Jeff

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Jeff,

I don't see what exactly you are doing to decrease the multi accounting. You are not outing anyone as a multi accounter, you even say you won't snitch on them. You are telling a bunch of people HEY GUYS THERE ARE SOME GUYS CHEATING, I KNOW WHO THEY ARE, BUT I'M NOT TELLING. What is that doing?

nothing at all. If you want to change this. Do it. Grow some balls and out people. Report them. You aren't going to guilt people into changing, at best you will force people to be quiet about it. But all that does is hide the problem not fix it. Do you think there are people here saying 'Oh no Action Jeff is upset with me, I'm gonna change'. Probably not.

Unless the thread contains names and evidence, then starting this thread really is not going to help change this situation.

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From what I've taken this is a warning. If they continue to multiaccount after this I'm under the assumption the names will become known or they will be turned into the sites. If this isn't the case I agree this is somewhat pointless.

[ianisakson]

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Well, there is no longer a grey line. There is no excuse. Multi-accounting tournaments is cheating! The sites have all specifically stated that this is cheating. Examples have been made and hundreds of thousands of dollars have been taken from people, accounts banned and more, to make it clear that this is cheating.

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There was never a gray line. How one could think it was, I have no idea.


I don't know if you were playing high stakes MTTs over 2 years ago, but there was a period of time when the TOC of UltimateBet did not even state that entering a tournament on more than one account was not allowed.

idiot who posted above,

Last response to these clown like posts. I don't give a [censored]. FYI there are plenty of people who multi account and who I am not friends with or outright dislike. That has nothing to do with it. I have 0 obligation to out someone doing something prohibited by the sites. There are dozens who have names like me who could report people if they wanted to. People who can say "I know who is doing this, and will report them in the future if they do it in the future" right now. They haven't done that yet. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they are like me and feel like they don't have the authority to do such a thing, and that it would place their own well being in jeopardy. It would be different if this was a ring of people colluding or something like that. I consider that to be different, and thats my opinion, and if you feel differently and want to be judgemental then that is your call but just be happy that I made this post to at least ATTEMPT to cut down on this practice and stfu with the personal attacks.

None of those guys wanted to take the initiative to start this thread though. So I'm doing it, because I want people to know about this, and I want the poker community to decide what to do about this on their own. People still multi-account, still act like it is acceptable as long as they can evade detection, and still brag about their multi accounting wins to their friends. Everyone should know this. Everyone should agree this is unethical and what actions they choose to take is completely their decision.

I did not make this post to impose on anyone with my opinions, I made it as a public service announcement to the MTT community. What opinions they form, and what they choose to do, is their decision.

-Jeff

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Jeff,

I don't see what exactly you are doing to decrease the multi accounting. You are not outing anyone as a multi accounter, you even say you won't snitch on them. You are telling a bunch of people HEY GUYS THERE ARE SOME GUYS CHEATING, I KNOW WHO THEY ARE, BUT I'M NOT TELLING. What is that doing?

nothing at all. If you want to change this. Do it. Grow some balls and out people. Report them. You aren't going to guilt people into changing, at best you will force people to be quiet about it. But all that does is hide the problem not fix it. Do you think there are people here saying 'Oh no Action Jeff is upset with me, I'm gonna change'. Probably not.

Unless the thread contains names and evidence, then starting this thread really is not going to help change this situation.

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From what I've taken this is a warning. If they continue to multiaccount after this I'm under the assumption the names will become known or they will be turned into the sites. If this isn't the case I agree this is somewhat pointless.

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badgerpro multiaccounts

[gameplay]

the multiaccounting on a multi is wrong if can means collusion,but is any sure way to check that? like on collusion you can check it and that is the important. if it is not a sure way for a check then i think it must be free for everyone to do it and without penaldies.
anyway someone can meet his friend on a final table. and that is exaclty the same and normal (without collusion or course) so i dont find the reason to talk for that as a cheating problem. it is as cheating as to meet one of your friends in a final table. i would like to hear what actionjeff has to say on that.

really why dont they just play another multi on the same time and not the same?