The 10 college players I was most wrong about

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Wasn't he drafted in Round 10?

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Your right. I looked it up. He was drafted in round 10. My bad

[Assani Fisher]

"ly gay" is probably my favorite sign of all time.

[FlyWf]

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Langdon was not even close to the kind of shooter that Redick is,

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Player A's career NCAA 3pt FG% 40.6%
Player B's career NCAA 3pt FG% 42.6%

You know which is which, right? Given that one isn't even close to the kind of shooter the other is this should be easy.

Here, I'll give you another hint. Here are some statlines for each player's first full year in the NBA:
Player A: 14.8 MPG 6.0/1.2/0.9 P/R/Apg .410/.388 FG/3FG%
Player B: 17.2 MPG 6.0/1.4/1.2 P/R/Apg .431/.411 FG/3FG%

Why, they couldn't be more different!

[Assani Fisher]

I'm pretty sure that shooting percentage will have a lot to do with whether or not you're the focus of the defense. If you have a ton of other great players around you and are shooting open 3s as a result, thats not nearly the same as being guarded by the other team's best player, coming off a screen, and nailing a 3.

[B00T]

another vote for Isiah "Dont call me JR" Rider

[FlyWf]

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I'm pretty sure that shooting percentage will have a lot to do with whether or not you're the focus of the defense. If you have a ton of other great players around you and are shooting open 3s as a result, thats not nearly the same as being guarded by the other team's best player, coming off a screen, and nailing a 3.

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Well, Langdon was one of the stars of those Duke teams. He wasn't some Damon Jones/Steve Kerr type, ~12 FGA/g is not just hitting open 3s.

More importantly, their NBA lines are subject to no such influence.

[mmbt0ne]

Assani here:

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Thay3R,

I know that your post was made in jest, and yes it was funny. But just to defend myself:

Note: I fully realize that these numbers aren't verified, but at the very least they show that all 3 players are similar:

JJ Reddick has a 33in vertical leap: LINK(6th paragraph)

Rip Hamilton has a 29in vertical leap: LINK(1:34 mark of interview)

Ray Allen has a 32in veritcal leap: LINK(5th post)



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Assani there:

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That's pretty cool that Oden is so athletic. I'm hoping the Blazers take him (and I expect they will). But I wouldn't worry too much about Durant's weaker performance. He's still going to be sick.

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Yeah... good post on TrueHoop about not reading too much into the draft combine numbers:

Draft Combine Numbers Are Almost Pointless

"On DraftExpress, Jonathan Givony makes the point that a player doing really well (Greg Oden) or really poorly (Kevin Durant) in the various measurements taken a few days ago in Orlando is no reason to conclude much of anything. After all, it's a contest to find the best basketball player, not the best jumper, lifter, or reacher. History, he writes, is littered with examples of front offices reading too much into these test results."

-Al

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I searched for this post just to write about this. Seriously think about these two things for a second then tell me how accurate these tests are:

-TJ Ford measured in as being slower in the various footspeed tests than Chris Kaman, Kirk Penney and Carmelo Anthony

-That same Andre Iguodala who was robbed of the slam dunk championship a year ago, only recorded a 34 inch vertical leap, one inch more than J.J. Redick last year

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[Degenerasian]

I thought Michael Olowokandi would be all-star caliber and that Dajuan Wagner was the nuts.

[Vyse]

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Guard = PG SG. Forward = SF PF. Get it?

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This is a really silly thread hijack, but you guys are wrong. In 50% of basketball offenses the 2 and 3 positions are completely interchangeable, as they're the same exact position except on different sides of the court(and the PG can run the play to either side as a result).

My college coach never reffered to them as SG and SF, but rather as 2 guard and 3 guard. From all my experiences(which I'll gladly admit include nothing in the NBA) I've never heard the term "small forward" used in practices or by coaches...its a term that fans use.

I've heard all my coaches use 3 different terms when referring to it.

First is the 3 guard, as I mentioned above.

Second, if they're splitting up the team to do a shooting drill, they'll usually say something like "Ok, guards down on this basket and bigs down here." Carmelo would fit in the "guards" here.

Third, if they're doing something like ball handling drills sometimes they'll want to have PGs separate from the other perimeter players so they'll say "Points down here, wings down there, and bigs over here." Carmelo would fit with in with the wings here.


Next time you're watching a game, watch the 2 and 3 the on offense. I bet you'll see that there really isn't that much of a difference of their role on offense and that they do play the same position just on different sides of the court.

Now the coaches may choose to do something different with each player based upon their strengths. For example, the Pistons offense probably has the 2 coming off of screens looking to shoot a lot more than the 3. But that has nothing to do with their positions, and is solely due to the fact that Hamilton is good at that while Prince is not. I guarantee you that if the Pistons signed a small SG like Iverson and Rip was playing the 3 that he would still do the same exact things on offense. In other words, there is absolutely no difference between the 2 and the 3 spot on offense.

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You do realize you cannot even debate this, right? Like Clarkmeister said, "That's nice and all, but the rest of the world uses "guard" to mean "guard." " That simple. Anthony played very few minutes at SG, and you're on drugs if you think the positions are exactly the same, just on different sides of the court.

[legend42]

I thought a Scott Skiles-type career would be the *up*side for Jason Kidd.

I saw Eddie Griffin play a few games at Seton Hall, and was positive he was a can't-miss guy (didn't know about his off-court problems, woops).

I couldn't [censored] believe Mark Price turned out to be an all-star NBA point guard.

I loved Grant Hill, but didn't think he could shoot or post well enough to be a big scorer in the pros.

I thought Bill Curley would at least make it in the NBA.

And I've been wrong about so many college wide receivers concerning their NFL performance, teams should hire me as a scout and just do the exact opposite of what I say.