NL Bots on Full Tilt

[KurtSF]

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If you want me to find some HH's with more than one of these "bots" sitting together I'm sure I could manage to do so.

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Post HHs please. Preferably with 2 of these players in a pot together.

[Alobar]

great post.

How long is it going to be tho before we the players finally realize that the sites simply DO NOT CARE about bots. Like you said, an intern with PT could easily find these things. We are to believe that a company making MILLIONS of dollars cant hire someone to simply look for bots?

They obviously dont want to get rid of the bots, they just want to appear to care to ease the concerns of the players, but keep right on getting the rake the bots generate. Hell in a perfect utopia for the sites, there would be nothing but 100% bots, they get their millions of dollars still in rake and they don't have to deal with all the BS that comes from real people.

sad thing is this post wont change anything, well get some candy ass PR response, and everyone will still go right on playing and still keep on telling anyone who complains about bots that they must suck at poker because playing against a bot is super easy, and that bots dont play NL, and blah blah blah. Lather rinse repeat. *shakes head*

[BlueBear]

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3. When there are tons of tables to play it's natural to avoid other regs. Anyone with half a brain does this. If you want me to find some HH's with more than one of these "bots" sitting together I'm sure I could manage to do so.

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I disagree. Someone playing tons of tables would not spend excessive energy to avoid a table with a strong regular (and instead just sit in a table with a fish). And winning players tend to find the loosest fishy tables anyway, so wouldn't it be natural for winning TAGs to flock to these tables? Again it should be very easy for a pokersite to detect if players are deliberately avoiding each other over an extended period of time. If 4 players were to sit in different tables mostly every time, this can be pretty strong evidence.

[Kermit]

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4. Is it not also a huge coincidence that the bot owner returns just as the OP has been utilizing the same tactics to win pots over and over? What does this sound like? Hmm, maybe a player who gives you credit for a few times and then gets sick of it and plays back at you?



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the story is convincing, but i am not entirely sold either.

"i figure out how to exploit the NIT-BOT!! HUZZAH!! Do'h, the NIT-BOT took a stand with TPGK!! The ownder must have taken over!!! FOILED AGAIN!!""

kermit

[kyleb]

Wow. Very interesting.

[dp13368]

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great post.

How long is it going to be tho before we the players finally realize that the sites simply DO NOT CARE about bots. Like you said, an intern with PT could easily find these things. We are to believe that a company making MILLIONS of dollars cant hire someone to simply look for bots?

They obviously dont want to get rid of the bots, they just want to appear to care to ease the concerns of the players, but keep right on getting the rake the bots generate. Hell in a perfect utopia for the sites, there would be nothing but 100% bots, they get their millions of dollars still in rake and they don't have to deal with all the BS that comes from real people.

sad thing is this post wont change anything, well get some candy ass PR response, and everyone will still go right on playing and still keep on telling anyone who complains about bots that they must suck at poker because playing against a bot is super easy, and that bots dont play NL, and blah blah blah. Lather rinse repeat. *shakes head*

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100% agree...


...waits for FTP's "I want to quiet them and hope they forget about it" response

[DMoogle]

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1. The stats level out to extremely close numbers because those numbers are EXTREMELY typical of the tag setminers that infest the 200nl full ring games. The fact that the OP has stats filtered to an integer adds to this effect.

2. I did read the whole thread, and I have played with one or more of these players for extended periods on the same table. I'll try to find chat logs where more than 2 of them are talking but not sure how I'd go about doing that.

3. When there are tons of tables to play it's natural to avoid other regs. Anyone with half a brain does this. If you want me to find some HH's with more than one of these "bots" sitting together I'm sure I could manage to do so.

4. Is it not also a huge coincidence that the bot owner returns just as the OP has been utilizing the same tactics to win pots over and over? What does this sound like? Hmm, maybe a player who gives you credit for a few times and then gets sick of it and plays back at you?

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1. These stats aren't "typical", they're IDENTICAL. The fact that these players all have the EXACT SAME stats, play nearly the SAME amount of hands, all play at the SAME time, and all avoid each other is extremely suspicious.

2. Irrelevant. It's already been shown that the owner(s) take over from time to time.

3. Natural to avoid regulars? Have you even played FTP's 1/2 NL tables? It's almost impossible to find a table with less than 3 regulars on it. In fact, any table WITH 3 regulars on it is considered a "good" table by most. I'll go out of my way to avoid a solid 25/18 well before I go out of my way to avoid a 14/7.

4. See #2.

[orange]

hmm interesting.

[BlueBear]

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They obviously dont want to get rid of the bots, they just want to appear to care to ease the concerns of the players, but keep right on getting the rake the bots generate.

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It's not necessarily in the short-term interest of a site to remove the bots. 1) Extensive banning would frighten the casual player when the news spreads out. 2) Bots generate lots of rake. 3) A poker site has limited resources so investigating these claims are "wasteful" from the financial and labor point of view.

[viper930]

Upon further investigation, I retract a couple of my statements and agree with the OP a great deal more. I definitely still remember talking with 1forthethumb and mariojr on more than one occasion, but I just checked in my PT database and over 30,000 hands for each of these players, they have never recorded a single pot with each other.

Sorry for ripping on your claims without solid proof to the contrary OP.

I feel sick.