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#61
05-07-2007, 08:16 AM
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Re: Mayweather calls out UFC and MMA as a whole...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Whatever. MMA is littered with people who couldn't hack it in the ring. You don't see it working the other way. That should pretty much say everything. Eliot, MMA is already where wrestling was. In the trailer parks and joke book. [/ QUOTE ] Your comments in this thread show complete ignorance as to the direction in which these two sports are headed. [/ QUOTE ]Eh, to be honest, I think UFC is a fad. The fights are cool, but in all honesty, most don't live up to the hype. The ground game is probably the most boring aspect of the it and the trend seems to be to going in that direction. If anything, UFC was much cooler when it was filled with boxing outcast that loved beating the hell out of people. All these MMA guys are pretty boring to watch. If Liddell wasn't in UFC, I think I probably wouldn't even watch it. [/ QUOTE ] Everybody has a right to their opinion, but the numbers don't lie. UFC's growth shows no signs of slowing. [/ QUOTE ] Logically it's growth will have to slow because of how much it has exploded in the past year. [/ QUOTE ] They've just acquired Pride Fighting and now have far and away the best roster of MMA fighters in the world. They still have lots of room to grow with the quality of the fights they can now potentially put together. I think we won't have a good sense of where the UFC will top out at until about the end of 2008. That should be enough time for the UFC to shake things out with this acquisition and put on quality PPV after PPV. [/ QUOTE ] UFC has also just signed a deal with HBO. There's a lot happening right now. 
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#62
05-07-2007, 07:24 PM
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Most people in MMA didn't start off trying to get into the boxing scene. Many of them come from wrestling and judo backgrounds. [/ QUOTE ] It didn't take long for world class wrestlers to make a name for themselves in the sport. Just as it didn't take long for the Brazilian submission fighters to make a splash. Both were highly specialized and had to adapt to a wider range of skills. The question is really, how long would it take for a boxer to learn take down and submission defense? Most people truly underestimate how devastating a boxer would be on his feet. Joe PS. We're not likely to see a boxer in his prime make the switch because the training would probably have a negative effect on his overall boxing skills.
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#63
05-07-2007, 10:12 PM
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Re: Mayweather calls out UFC and MMA as a whole...
Pure brazilian submission fighters were only truly effective in the early stages of the UFC. This is because nobody was that familiar with their style and nobody had takedown defense. They were able to take down opponents whenever they wanted and then dominate them. Once more fighters started adapting, so did the Brazilian submission fighters.
I don't think anyone is arguing that a boxer couldn't train to become a monster in mma. The problem is at the moment no boxer will make the switch to mma.
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#64
05-07-2007, 10:49 PM
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There seems to be a lot of fear coming from the boxing community right now. Whether or not these comments are jokes, it's pretty obvious that MMA definitely has boxing's attention.
With regards to a top rank boxer being able to dominate MMA, I'm not so sure. Most of said boxers will have been training for years in boxing, and I doubt they could learn to properly defend against certain fighting styles. I think a world class boxer can develop an excellent sprawl and dominate wrestlers, but I don't see a PBF being able to handle a K1 style fighter like Buakaw. Even with 18 months of training, how does a PBF even get to the point where he can get close enough to Buakaw without eating ~fifty leg kicks? Against a fighter like Sherk, I could see PBF having the edge. With a decent sprawl Sherk would be at a disadvantage, imo. I guess that I could see a boxer coming into the HW division and tearing it up though, someone like Lennox who has an obvious reach advantage over everyone else.
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#65
05-07-2007, 11:27 PM
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watch any of the recent big heavyweight fights in the MMA and you see a bunch of clumsy, unathletic, bad boxers [/ QUOTE ]this is because you can't look as greatful punching when you also have to guard against a takedown.
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#66
05-07-2007, 11:28 PM
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Why would any top boxer want to fight for a meager mid 5 figure-miniscule 6 figure payday when their sport pays millions to it's stars. [/ QUOTE ] Why do pro athletes try hard in the playoffs when the playoff bonus money is so insignificant compared to their normal salaries? Its because many world class athletes love competition and want to prove that they are the best.
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#67
05-07-2007, 11:57 PM
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[ QUOTE ] watch any of the recent big heavyweight fights in the MMA and you see a bunch of clumsy, unathletic, bad boxers [/ QUOTE ]this is because you can't look as greatful punching when you also have to guard against a takedown. [/ QUOTE ] ...
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#68
05-08-2007, 12:02 AM
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Why do pro athletes try hard in the playoffs when the playoff bonus money is so insignificant compared to their normal salaries? Its because many world class athletes love competition and want to prove that they are the best. [/ QUOTE ] You are wrong, there is a lot of money at stake for the players during the playoffs of every pro sport. A great or poor playoff performance can have a huge effect on that players next contract, endorsements, tv ads, everything. They aren't just doing it for the love of the game, although of course thats a factor, they also know that if they put in a great performance they will get a lot more money.
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#69
05-08-2007, 12:07 AM
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Re: Mayweather calls out UFC and MMA as a whole...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] watch any of the recent big heavyweight fights in the MMA and you see a bunch of clumsy, unathletic, bad boxers [/ QUOTE ]this is because you can't look as greatful punching when you also have to guard against a takedown. [/ QUOTE ] ... [/ QUOTE ]obviously meant to type "graceful."
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#70
05-08-2007, 12:08 AM
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[ QUOTE ] Why do pro athletes try hard in the playoffs when the playoff bonus money is so insignificant compared to their normal salaries? Its because many world class athletes love competition and want to prove that they are the best. [/ QUOTE ] You are wrong, there is a lot of money at stake for the players during the playoffs of every pro sport. A great or poor playoff performance can have a huge effect on that players next contract, endorsements, tv ads, everything. They aren't just doing it for the love of the game, although of course thats a factor, they also know that if they put in a great performance they will get a lot more money. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, so what about an athlete that is set to retire after this year? Do you think he tries during the playoffs?
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