$20/$40 hand - Page 7

shemp · #61 10-01-2006, 07:09 AM

I'm curious how 78s on the button after 4 limpers compares to AK UTG.

PITTM · #62 10-01-2006, 01:22 PM

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enjoy my future posts.

-Bill

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are they all going to be as hilariously bad as all these have been? ive been posting here for 2.5 years and ive honestly never seen such poor advice purported to be given by an "expert".

rj

Bill King · #63 10-01-2006, 02:47 PM

yes, folding 8d7d preflop is the worst advice ever given.. you are correct sir.

Bill King · #64 10-01-2006, 02:50 PM

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I'm curious how 78s on the button after 4 limpers compares to AK UTG.

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"newhizzle raises UTG 9 handed, chantell (neverwins girl protege) coldcalls UTG+2, neverwin coldcalls MP1, Ted Forrest coldcalls in the SB, I call in the BB."

drbk2 · #65 10-01-2006, 02:52 PM

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ok here's my case.

when you clearly dont know how to value bet in slim spots like you're gonna get in hands like this, then you fold. if you're able to play them and not lose more than you should with these type of hands, then you can play them. but clearly OP is having trouble knowing when to raise, fold, and call in spots where it's not so ABC clear.

these type of speculative hands can make money if you play them well, but they also get you in spots where you lose a lot with them as well if you're not careful. think about how many times you end up paying off, or even worse, raising! in spots like this when if you had folded pre, ther would be no issue.

playing hands like this in multi-way pots is a great tool in switching it up, playing big drawing pots.. but you lose more than you win when you make spewy river raises in spots when you're clearly beat. these hands do not have a lot of value, and when you dont play them correctly, theyre a losing hand in the long term.

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you just made a great case for folding pretty much every hand that isn't JJ+

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I can't agree more with this comment.

drbk2 · #66 10-01-2006, 03:02 PM

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ok here's my case.

when you clearly dont know how to value bet in slim spots like you're gonna get in hands like this, then you fold. if you're able to play them and not lose more than you should with these type of hands, then you can play them. but clearly OP is having trouble knowing when to raise, fold, and call in spots where it's not so ABC clear.

these type of speculative hands can make money if you play them well, but they also get you in spots where you lose a lot with them as well if you're not careful. think about how many times you end up paying off, or even worse, raising! in spots like this when if you had folded pre, ther would be no issue.

playing hands like this in multi-way pots is a great tool in switching it up, playing big drawing pots.. but you lose more than you win when you make spewy river raises in spots when you're clearly beat. these hands do not have a lot of value, and when you dont play them correctly, theyre a losing hand in the long term.

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my god.

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bob.. you clearly know i'm not holding my advice as my own material/guidelines.. but someone who will raise this river into two opponents when you get 3-bet AND call? give me a break.. thats the point of my argument.. i think you can play this hand.. dont get me wrong.. but when i read this post this guy clearly doesnt have very well hand reading skills and should fold hands like this if he cant decide when to make rive raises into multi-opponents.. am i wrong?

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I was on the button. So it goes bet call and I fold? You said I raised this river INTO 2 people when it was 3 bet and called? Why don't you read the post more carefully. With this ridiculous post you proved that a. you are a horrible poker player or b. you still have a lot to learn about the English language or c. Combination of both.

jkamowitz · #67 10-01-2006, 03:10 PM

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what's the problem?

conservative types usually don't bet this flop unless they can bet/3bet... so trying for a free card is shady at best.

turn check is fine.

river raise is fine too. yeah the flush got there, but w/dumb LAG calling villain's river donk, you're getting 2 to 1 on your raise. lot's of 2 pair hands will look you up here.

its an easy fold to a 3town if conservative guy takes it there.

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Agreed, and that's all I have to contribute.

Ps. I think it's fine to fold this hand pf, if these are problems you're going to encounter post flop. If you're confident in your post flop play go ahead and raise pf.

shemp · #68 10-01-2006, 04:12 PM

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I'm curious how 78s on the button after 4 limpers compares to AK UTG.

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"newhizzle raises UTG 9 handed, chantell (neverwins girl protege) coldcalls UTG+2, neverwin coldcalls MP1, Ted Forrest coldcalls in the SB, I call in the BB."

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Is this intended as a nonsequitor?

shemp · #69 10-01-2006, 04:30 PM

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yes, folding 8d7d preflop is the worst advice ever given.. you are correct sir.

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Rather than telling someone to fold 87s in this spot you should be telling them to pick up their chips.

PITTM · #70 10-01-2006, 05:53 PM

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yes, folding 8d7d preflop is the worst advice ever given.. you are correct sir.

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Rather than telling someone to fold 87s in this spot you should be telling them to pick up their chips.

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NO! BILL CANNOT BE WRONG! ITS NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE. THE FACT THAT IT IS 1 PERSON vs TENS OF PEOPLE JUST MEANS THAT BILL IS TENS OF TIMES MORE RIGHT!

rj