so let me get this new WPEX thing straight

[Alobar]

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There's no way to prevent tracking as it can be done even by hand, just so much extra work (not for those who can make their own trackers or additional softwares; they have the edge over us as they used to have before PT), while it seemed to me the player number stays the same. Makes it dangerous to play there now, though I never had any PT stats but about myself when playing there; same for some other sites but some people could now be forced to play elsewhere. PT may need some work as it thinks those histories are play money games and does not import them. I just started to play again more there and got histories by mail (very slowly) but now can't get them to PT at all without (too much) extra work.

How am I also to know if I am getting an honest game if I can't get the complete stats? And one needs the results anyway - one needs to do that manually (from the cashier that keeps track) at the moment and put that to PT if one can't import those histories from the file(s) later either.

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This whole "I cant tell if im getting cheated now" argument doesnt hold much water IMO. You dont have some special algorithm that you plug into PT and it cross checks all the hands by player so and so and compares them to some forumula that suspects cheating and deducts from the action of the hands the likelyhood of collusion with player Y and blah blah blah. You can still see the persons hole cards after the hand, and support isnt sitting around going "omg, how can we tell if 'bigdawg69' is possibly colluding, his name doesnt show up in any of our hand histories!!11!" so if you suspect someone of cheating they have the same opportunity to research it as any other site does.

Its actually easier to detect colluding now than it was before the update, and no one was whining about worrying about the safety of the games then.

you dont get HH in a b&m and that doesnt stop people from playing there.

If you are worried about it, then obviously dont play there, but I think its a pretty insignificant worry.

[ianlippert]

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anyone want to put up the english.cab file for download and tell me where it goes so i can get the friggin software to work?

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Also, I cant connect to the server for some reason. When it installs and needs to grab files and also when I load up the program (in german). Anyone else having these problems?

[Kirg]

Sorry but you can still track. (once Pat updates PT)

Player names have simply been replaced with numbers yes, but the numbers don't change! Even between logins the numbers didn't change so the only difference is that in Pokertracker players will be stored with a # instead of a name, but Gametime+ can still match the stats with the # and place them correctly on the table since seating info is in the hand history.

PAHUD is a different story since it works by using the hand history files and those are now seperate per hand but GT+ doesn't works this way, it goes into PT.

Means we're stuck working with an inferior product (GT+) but it still works and maybe PAHUD can be adapted to work as well.

Only thing I don't know yet is whether the numbers change from day to day. But from table to table and login to login they are the same.

[DING-DONG YO]

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Sorry but you can still track. (once Pat updates PT)

Player names have simply been replaced with numbers yes, but the numbers don't change! Even between logins the numbers didn't change so the only difference is that in Pokertracker players will be stored with a # instead of a name, but Gametime+ can still match the stats with the # and place them correctly on the table since seating info is in the hand history.

PAHUD is a different story since it works by using the hand history files and those are now seperate per hand but GT+ doesn't works this way, it goes into PT.

Means we're stuck working with an inferior product (GT+) but it still works and maybe PAHUD can be adapted to work as well.

Only thing I don't know yet is whether the numbers change from day to day. But from table to table and login to login they are the same.

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WSEX GM, care to comment here?

[WSEX GM]

The player numbers are a glitch and will be removed shortly.

[NWCougar]

This really is pathetic. This is a great update and all these children can do cry about it not being exactly what they want. For Christ's sake "learn to play poker" try observing your opponents. Try watching for their tendencies and taking note of it. Poker is about people, not numbers. If you can't win without a HUD then you "can't play poker"

[grinin]

I for one applaud your decision to at least keep the names out of the Hand Histories.

I just hope you fixed the problem where I was arbitrarily sat out, every second or third hand I showed down.

[Kirg]

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This really is pathetic. This is a great update and all these children can do cry about it not being exactly what they want. For Christ's sake "learn to play poker" try observing your opponents. Try watching for their tendencies and taking note of it. Poker is about people, not numbers. If you can't win without a HUD then you "can't play poker"

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I looked into the hand histories more out of a curiosity thing then anything else and am personally happy either way since No rake >>> Hud support. I've already been playing at WPEX for 3 months without a HUD so nothing changed.

If WPEX was like any other site though (not rakefree) then it's pretty normal for people to pick the HUD-compatible one since all things being equal the HUD-compatible one will give a higher hourly winrate simply because you can play more tables with a HUD.

[WichitaDM]

You guys who are whining are really something. WPEX is making the right decision here. It keeps the huddonks out of the site (yes i use hud on party and elsewhere but feel my advantage is bigger when no one has it bc i have been playing poker since the "olden days"). This allows the people who are actually capable of playing poker to make more money, and the fish not getting ground to pieces by the hud donks quite as fast.

THE ONLY THING THIS ISNT GOOD FOR IS HUDDONKS WHO DONT KNOW HOW TO PLAY POKER

Also it seems the disconnect issue has been improved. I havent had one disconnect today which is a big improvement. I have moved all my business to WPEX its the best site on the net. 10,000+ a month in rakeback plus winnings is pretty nice. Way to keep the hudbots out WPEX i applaud you. Also 4 tables is nice.

[sharp63]

I don't even bother using PT with WPEX. Quite frankly, I don't need the HUDs and I already can estimate my winrate from the time played vs. money made.

Taking the HUDs away is just more +EV for me since the HUDonks will continue to play slightly better then your average donk (still quite bad) but not have any clue how to play the different opponents because they're stupid HUDonks. Good job, WPEX.

And whoever said it was "their right" to have hand histories, please post your screen name on whatever sites you play at and your limits.