Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games... - Page 7

Ed Miller · #61 03-20-2004, 08:34 PM

Also what exactly constitutes a "big" pot?

There is no cutoff. Whenever you see advice that says, "Do this in a big pot," it really means, "As the pot gets bigger, be more inclined to do this." That is to say, there are usually several factors to consider when making a poker decision. One of those is pot size... which is a continuum. Depending on how the other factors line up, the fulcrum (to use Backdoor's word) pot size can change.

With that disclaimer, in many situations you can begin to think of the pot as "big" once it is raised preflop.

sublime · #62 03-20-2004, 08:54 PM

thanks MK

rjc199 · #63 03-20-2004, 10:00 PM

lol

This post just helped me win a pot. I just sit down and post:

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 raises, Hero (poster) calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, SB folds, UTG+1 folds.

*The old me folds this flop. But I have top pair and a backdoor. I don't think I'm ahead but I'm going to see the river because Majorkong said not to fold top pair.

Turn: (5.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB
Main Pot: 9.50 BB, between MP3 and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (9.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
MP3 shows 7c 8c (one pair, threes).
Hero shows 8h Ah (two pair, aces and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.50 BB. 

Is a turn bet in order here as a semi-bluff when I pick up the flush draw?

SpaceAce · #64 03-20-2004, 10:40 PM

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Flop: (9 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, SB folds, UTG+1 folds.

*The old me folds this flop. But I have top pair and a backdoor. I don't think I'm ahead but I'm going to see the river because Majorkong said not to fold top pair.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think the new you needs to raise this flop, not call.

SpaceAce

rjc199 · #65 03-20-2004, 10:42 PM

explain raising this flop, especially when I'm bet into by a pre-flop raiser and I don't like my kicker? I don't see this sort of play advocated in any 2+2 book.

Dids · #66 03-20-2004, 11:20 PM

"But I have top pair and a backdoor."

I think you said it yourself.

Low levels, folks with raise with anything. Absent of a read, I'd re-raise this too, if he fires back, then I go into check call.

uDevil · #67 03-20-2004, 11:25 PM

Some arguments for raising in this spot:
1) You might get a free card.
2) You might force weak draws to fold, possibly saving the pot for you if you are ahead.
3) You might win the pot right here (which might well have happened in this case).

The DaveR · #68 03-21-2004, 12:15 AM

You can 3-bet this preflop if you think MP is raising light because of the dead money.

StellarWind · #69 03-21-2004, 01:22 AM

Raise the flop. This is a very important concept.

Maybe MP3 is ahead of you, maybe he isn't. We could endlessly debate the chance that he has AK or KK or 99 or (apparently) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

It just doesn't matter right now. This is a four-way pot. Every time you bet you get 3-1 odds if everyone calls. Surely those are good enough odds for this raise to be +EV. If some of your opponents fold their bottom pairs or gutshots you benefit in a different way by increasing your chance of winning the pot.

You cannot focus on whether putting in an extra bet or two is +EV or -EV against MP3. You don't even know. What you do know is there are two other players trying to suck out this pot. Make them pay or make them go away. That's a big EV gain that will more then compensate for the times MP3 might be ahead of you.

Once it's heads up you can start worrying about what MP3 has and whether you want to minimize or maximize the number of bets you put in against him.

Ed Miller · #70 03-21-2004, 04:17 AM

I don't see this sort of play advocated in any 2+2 book.

Just wait a couple of months... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]