Israel's Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah

[jokerthief]

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Bomb Iranian Oil fields to eliminate the financial sources of terrorism. Yes this would temporarily mean $100/ barrel oil but perhaps this would cause the collapse of the theocracy in Iran.

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Can the Israelis refuel in mid-air? I highly doubt they could get to Iran, much less back, without doing so.

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Israel claims it can "reach out and touch" Iran. But it doesn't go into further detail than that.

[Yuv]

Israel has already proven in the past it can reach Iraq, so I don't think Iran is out of our reach. I doubt anything like that will happen tho.

BTW, I'm not really sure what they are telling you on CNN or Fox news, but Israel won't attack Syria, not now, not in the near future. This is totally out of the question at the moment, unless Syria will strike first, which is extremely unlikely.

And yes, as I said, this entire region is [censored] up and "normal" is a very relative term. I seriously think everyone, including the Arab world, understand how stupid and dangerous the attacks by Hizballah has been and will "allow" Israel to strike back. Firing at Haifa is, in Israeli eyes, the difference between an attack on an American embassy in Kenya or a military base in Yemen and striking in the heart of NYC. The first will invoke a quick fierce reaction twords terrorist headquarters. The 2nd will create a full on attack on Lebanon.

I'm not even trying to judge here. I am aware of how crazy it looks that missiles fired on the northen border are "okay" and missiles fired 40 km in will create a full on war, but this is just the way it is.

I honestly think Nasralla and his organization scared themselves with that rocket hitting Haifa and this is the major reason why he denied firing it in the first place.

[BCPVP]

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Israel has already proven in the past it can reach Iraq, so I don't think Iran is out of our reach. I doubt anything like that will happen tho.

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According to Wikipedia, the fighters had to be heavily fueled just to make it to Osirak (which is 1000 miles from Israel) and back. They'd have to cross over the entire country and back again.

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Lebanon purports to be a sovereign country

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I always wonder how people can support some of Israel's more extreme actions, and then I heard statements like this, which apparently suggests that sovereignty is based on how much a nation's policies agree with Israel's, and I don't wonder anymore.

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Or... he could be saying that Lebanon is just a puppet regime for Syria, which it is... I don't think anyone really disagrees on this point? Do you remember who killed the former lebanese prime minister a few months ago? Hint: It wasn't the Israelis.

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My sarcastic comment about Lebanese sovereignty is based upon 2 things:

1) Interference and control by Syria in Lebanese internal affairs, and which is not totally a thing of the past as although Syrian troops have left some of Syria's intel apparatus is reported to still be in place.

2) Lebanon's inability or unwillingness to deal with Hezbollah in the even they don't tacitly support them.


The second point is the crucial one. Either Lebanon is in league with Hezbollah in carrying out attacks on Israel or it is not but unable to deal with them. In either event Lebanon cannot expect Israel to do nothing or to do things that aren't effective in severely curtailing those attacks in the future, which means destroying part of Lebanon's infrastructure that Hezbollah depends upon.

So again, either Lebanon's military needs to move against Hezbollah, or they shouldn't whine when Israel does it instead. And all of this doesn't even touch on the underlying issue which is Iran's support for and partial control of Hezbollah. They can expect a reckoning as well.

[JMa]

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The two missiles fired at Haifa, the 3rd largest city in Israel which is 40 km's from the border, will probably result in Israeli forces shutting down all powers to Beirut and blacking out the Lebanon capital.

Very sad that the events took a turn like this, but while there are justify criticism of Israeli policies twords Gaza, there is seriously nothing Israel could have done differently in Lebanon and every other nation would have reacted in the same way.

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do you really think israel will cut off beirut's power?

i doubt that every other nation would do that

[Howard Beale]

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All we need to do, is fail to support Israel 100%

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I will agree with this and ignore the rest of your rant.

Our support (financial, logistic, diplomatic) for Israel should be 0 percent so we can finally end the war on terror.

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If the United States did not support Israel in the slightest degree would that stop:

The Islamic terrorists in the Phillipines? or
The Islamic terrorists in Thailand? or
The Islamic terrorists in India?

so that we could then declare victory in the war on terror?

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Howard,

It should be obvious by now that AC believes that peace is dependant upon letting Israel be destroyed and upon no country or group opposing Moslem attempts to impose Shari'a on non-Moslems. So let the radical Moslems have their way in everything and peace will envelop the world.

[Yuv]

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The two missiles fired at Haifa, the 3rd largest city in Israel which is 40 km's from the border, will probably result in Israeli forces shutting down all powers to Beirut and blacking out the Lebanon capital.

Very sad that the events took a turn like this, but while there are justify criticism of Israeli policies twords Gaza, there is seriously nothing Israel could have done differently in Lebanon and every other nation would have reacted in the same way.

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do you really think israel will cut off beirut's power?

i doubt that every other nation would do that

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What exactly did the US do in Iraq? And I'm not even speaking on Russia's way to deal with their conflicts

[Howard Beale]

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Howard,

It should be obvious by now that AC believes that peace is dependant upon letting Israel be destroyed and upon no country or group opposing Moslem attempts to impose Shari'a on non-Moslems. So let the radical Moslems have their way in everything and peace will envelop the world.

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I don't think he'd go that far. Somehow he thinks that the only thing muslims have on their minds are the Palestinians and that if not for that issue than they'd be just fine with everybody. Anyway, of the posters with whom I disagree on this topic, I sort of like the guy. He's grown on me. I'd buy him a premium beer if we ever meet. And a shot of Patron. (I think Cyrus's 'who would you have a beer with' thread should've been left up).

[Mempho]

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All we need to do, is fail to support Israel 100%

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I will agree with this and ignore the rest of your rant.

Our support (financial, logistic, diplomatic) for Israel should be 0 percent so we can finally end the war on terror.

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I'm in total disagreement with this. Why can Israel not protect itself? Why does Israel not have right to its own land? Granted, they took that land back in the '40s but it was the same land that was orignally theirs thousands of years ago. Israel has been more than generous in the attempt to gain peace. They have given up the West Bank and the Palestinians agreed to give them peace for that. Can you imagine the U.S. giving up Florida to an enemy and then we got attacked yet again? Would we stand for it? Hell no! Israel will not give up their country and their sovereignty. People need to forget about this option. People also need to forget about the U.S. being uninvolved in this conflict. We have been in this conflict since Day 1 and there is no way we can extract ourselves from it now.