A few thoughts on rascism / affirmative action

[pvn]

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Does it bug you that everyone should be treated equal under the law when it comes to employment opportunity?

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Everyone (oh, except for labor buyers). Why is buying labor different than buying hotdogs? Can I discriminate when buying art? Picking a photographer for my wedding? Hiring a guy to clean my house or mow my lawn? Am I buying a service or hiring an employee?

What about my brother-in-law who I hired to install my hardwood floors? I treated him quite differently than every other floor installer. Sin or not?

[pvn]

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I am not an ACist, but I do not support coersion used for social engineering. However, non-coercive means are perfectly reasonable.


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How does this principle apply to violent crimes, such as murder, rape, or robbery?

Not equating them in terms of discrimination law, obviously, but just curious if the logic extends to all laws that attempt to coerce social interaction.

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I'm not sure what you're getting at here. In a violent crime, the criminal is the one that has initiated coercive force. In a hiring decision, government initiates the coercive force.

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Also, do you know the history behind the Civil Rights act? I couldn't imagine anyone who doesn't, but this thread has me wondering if many of you ever heard of segregation, Jim Crowe, Rosa Parks, white and black water fountains, MLK, and the like.

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You do know that such segregation was created by *legislation* don't you?


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While I don't agree with many of their viewpoints, I not only support everyone's right to free speech, I'd risk my life protecting it.

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But you want to monitor who they hang out with.

[pvn]

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RedBean:

Please explain why discriminating against black grocers, retaurateurs, or other merchants is allowable but discriminating in hiring is the only decision where the federal government should have a say. I think it's because you want to force blacks to remain wage slaves rather than business owners.

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NH sir. I've been trying to cut back on the cheerleading, but with this post you've really elevated your game.

[RedBean]

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Do you support the KKK's right to free speech?

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While I don't agree with many of their viewpoints, I not only support everyone's right to free speech, I'd risk my life protecting it.

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So why do you support racism?

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When did supporting free speech become supporting racism?

Do you always take such a simplistic view of complex issues?

Or are you only doing it to be silly and argumentative?

[RedBean]

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Why is buying labor different than buying hotdogs?


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Hotdogs don't have civil rights.

[hmkpoker]

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Call me crazy, but color shouldn't be a factor in the decision, and it should be based solely on who is most qualified-- whether white, black, purple, pink, or burnt orange.

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The problem with this lies in how it is enforced. Whether someone was "discriminated" against is very much dependant on who's asking (and who the jury and lawyer are).

There are also conditions when race is a qualification. Let us say that a person opens a Chinese restaurant, and, in trying to develop the decor of the place, wants an all-asian waitstaff. Even if a certain white, black or hispanic fellow could take orders and communicate with the patrons better, they would not be as ideal for the restaurant as the slanty-eyed fellow bringing you your flied lice. There are film and theater (and even porn) roles that require someone to look a certain way.

Now I agree that blanket racism is a bad thing. Duh, hence the OP. However, I believe it is the responsibility of the people to cast aside their own irrational judgements; not the responsibility of the government. Businesses that do not hire based on merit will inevitably suffer, starve and die on their own; I see no reason to stop it.

Society has been in an upward motion toward the acceptance of different colors, creeds and lifestyles for a long time, and I believe it will continue to do so on its own. The real disease is racial hatred, and that is something that no government legislation can cure.

Legalizing suicide will not result in everyone killing themselves.

[pvn]

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Why is buying labor different than buying hotdogs?


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Hotdogs don't have civil rights.

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Labor doesn't have civil rights, either.

What about the rest of the question?

Can I discriminate when buying art? Picking a photographer for my wedding? Hiring a guy to clean my house or mow my lawn? Am I buying a service or hiring an employee?

What about my brother-in-law who I hired to install my hardwood floors? I treated him quite differently than every other floor installer. Sin or not?

[RedBean]

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Labor doesn't have civil rights, either.


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But employees do.

[Brainwalter]

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Labor doesn't have civil rights, either.


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But employees do.

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So do hotdog vendors.

[RedBean]

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So do hotdog vendors.

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Thanks to the Civil Rights Act.