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06-23-2006, 04:23 PM
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Re: my version of ray zee\'s \"the different stages in a player\'s life\"
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Grisgra, you are so right... vacations, man, I love to take them... but when you start figuring the opportunity cost to be something in the neighborhood of 10k... Damn, is chasing young ass in Mexico really worth it? *** EDIT *** [ QUOTE ] Damn, is chasing young ass in Mexico really worth it? [/ QUOTE ] Wow, did I really ask this? What if my wife reads this? [/ QUOTE ] More pertinent question sir. [/ QUOTE ] I was of course speaking more in terms of the young poker player crowd that inherits this messageboard... [/ QUOTE ] *cough* of course [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] 
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#62
06-23-2006, 04:26 PM
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Re: my version of ray zee\'s \"the different stages in a player\'s life\"
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Unless you need a ton of money to start a business or something (and you're very certain this is what you want to do), it's silly to kill yourself putting in all those hours. Everyone thinks they'll be happy if they can retire early, but many aren't. You eventually get bored. Talented, intelligent people usually find themselves wanting to do something. Poker gives you the freedom to choose a line of work you enjoy (and still maintain a very comfortable lifestyle). The vast majority of people do not have this freedom. Get a job you like. Play poker on the side. Be happy. [/ QUOTE ] "Getting a job you like" isn't as easy as it looks [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. I may be bored if I retire . . . but I work full-time at the moment, and I gotta say I'm pretty bored right now. But I agree about the begin happy part! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I think the whole 'retirement' thing is best looked at as "taking a job/volunteering/doing whatever you want, knowing that you don't have to worry about $$" more than just sitting on your ass eating bon bons for the rest of your life.
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#63
06-23-2006, 04:29 PM
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Re: my version of ray zee\'s \"the different stages in a player\'s life\"
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[ QUOTE ] 5. LIMIT player reads BBV and sees how much more the other NO LIMIT players are making, so he decides he has to SWITCH GAMES. player faces the brutal reality that HE CANT PLAY NO LIMIT. now all of a sudden poker is not fun anymore. instead it's a constant struggle, but it's essential TO SAY ITS ONLY VARIANCE, AND THAT THE NL PROS HAVE ALL THE "FUNDAMENTALS" WRONG A LA KUROSH 7. poker consumes player and he eventually SHORT STACKS THE 50/100 UB GAME DECLARING HIMSELF A NL PRO [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] hahahahahaha this is really not about me though. it's the way it is with just about everyone i know who plays poker seriously
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#64
06-23-2006, 04:52 PM
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Re: my version of ray zee\'s \"the different stages in a player\'s life\"
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I don't understand the uber-bitching about those that hate hate hate poker, honestly -- maybe it comes with uber-ABC'ing while playing 8-tables (2-tabling higher limits is much more interesting/rewarding), but something odd does happen once you hit the spot where you're making $100 or $200 an hour. Maybe you want to watch TV. A voice in your head pops up and says "Sure, you could watch a 2-hour movie on TV. Or you could play 2 hours of poker and make $200-$400 bucks. That's a LOT of money. Why should you waste it watching TV?" Or hang out with some friends -- not uber-great friends, but a quite possibly enjoyable little social experience. But is it worth $1000? Because if you stayed home that night instead, that's probably how much you could make. Is that two-hour movie worth $300? Is that evening with friends worth $1000? Because that's what you're sacrificing by watching that movie, or spending time with those friends. I mean, the movie can't be THAT good, and that evening can't be worth $1000, can it?! Gets pretty [censored] up if you let it. Me, I'm a lazy hump, and play worse when I force myself to get hours in, so I can usually dodge those questions. But they're always in the back of my mind, and I bet that for some, a lot more than most. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not going to rip into you too much but from what I can tell based off of glancing at your posts and your 8/04 registration date you have no idea what its like being in stage 6+ if you read the OP. I have been playing for a living for 2.5 years playing seriously for almost 5 years now and poker SUCKS. I get no enjoyment from poker. I dread logging on and playing and put it off whenever possible. and yes I do make over $100 an hour when I play online. But it doesn't change the fact that I and other stage 6ers are thoroughly tired of playing but stuck in a hole that I see no way out of. Despite the fact that I will almost certainly wind up with only 20 hours/week this year poker has utterly consumed my life and I'm not exactly on the fast track to early retirement.
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#65
06-23-2006, 05:05 PM
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Re: my version of ray zee\'s \"the different stages in a player\'s life\"
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[ QUOTE ] 5. LIMIT player reads BBV and sees how much more the other NO LIMIT players are making, so he decides he has to SWITCH GAMES. player faces the brutal reality that HE CANT PLAY NO LIMIT. now all of a sudden poker is not fun anymore. instead it's a constant struggle, but it's essential TO SAY ITS ONLY VARIANCE, AND THAT THE NL PROS HAVE ALL THE "FUNDAMENTALS" WRONG A LA KUROSH 7. poker consumes player and he eventually SHORT STACKS THE 50/100 UB GAME DECLARING HIMSELF A NL PRO [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ]I currently have 30k hands at 10/20 NL for >5BB/100, thanks.
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#66
06-23-2006, 05:08 PM
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Re: my version of ray zee\'s \"the different stages in a player\'s life\"
nice post, i am stage 7
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#67
06-23-2006, 05:12 PM
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Re: my version of ray zee\'s \"the different stages in a player\'s life\"
good post. I am stage 6.5
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#68
06-23-2006, 05:14 PM
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Re: my version of ray zee\'s \"the different stages in a player\'s life\"
I am at stage 6.9
spending 2+ hours a day studying and actually playing 40+ hours per week is not what I had in mind 2 years ago.
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#69
06-23-2006, 05:16 PM
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Re: my version of ray zee\'s \"the different stages in a player\'s life\"
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[ QUOTE ] I don't understand the uber-bitching about those that hate hate hate poker, honestly -- maybe it comes with uber-ABC'ing while playing 8-tables (2-tabling higher limits is much more interesting/rewarding), but something odd does happen once you hit the spot where you're making $100 or $200 an hour. Maybe you want to watch TV. A voice in your head pops up and says "Sure, you could watch a 2-hour movie on TV. Or you could play 2 hours of poker and make $200-$400 bucks. That's a LOT of money. Why should you waste it watching TV?" Or hang out with some friends -- not uber-great friends, but a quite possibly enjoyable little social experience. But is it worth $1000? Because if you stayed home that night instead, that's probably how much you could make. Is that two-hour movie worth $300? Is that evening with friends worth $1000? Because that's what you're sacrificing by watching that movie, or spending time with those friends. I mean, the movie can't be THAT good, and that evening can't be worth $1000, can it?! Gets pretty [censored] up if you let it. Me, I'm a lazy hump, and play worse when I force myself to get hours in, so I can usually dodge those questions. But they're always in the back of my mind, and I bet that for some, a lot more than most. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not going to rip into you too much but from what I can tell based off of glancing at your posts and your 8/04 registration date you have no idea what its like being in stage 6+ if you read the OP. I have been playing for a living for 2.5 years playing seriously for almost 5 years now and poker SUCKS. I get no enjoyment from poker. I dread logging on and playing and put it off whenever possible. and yes I do make over $100 an hour when I play online. But it doesn't change the fact that I and other stage 6ers are thoroughly tired of playing but stuck in a hole that I see no way out of. Despite the fact that I will almost certainly wind up with only 20 hours/week this year poker has utterly consumed my life and I'm not exactly on the fast track to early retirement. [/ QUOTE ] How can poker 'utterly consume your life' if you play only 20-30 hours a week? I don't get it. If you're 6+ tabling those 30 hours I can imagine it gets a little gruesome. But how is it different than people who have to drag their asses in to work every day, can't stand their jobs, and make a lot less? By the way, my registration date is 8/04 but I logged into 2+2 before that date under a different name -- I've been playing 20 hours/week for a little over 2 years now. And I still like it, and know I have a TON to learn -- even if it's just different limits/formats (tourney, NL) and my 'limit' game has topped off. (Which it hasn't, rory, if you're reading this!) I think once you decide to stop moving up, or stop learning new games . . . that's the killer. As far as being in a hole that 'there is no way out of' . . . there IS that retirement thing once you build up enough $$, no? Maybe it will take ten years, but for you 20-somethings, sorry, not going to cry a river for you if you have to wait all the way until you're 40 until you retire.
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