No Maroon love

[TheMaroon]

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I got that impression when I've checked into your blog over the past 8 months. When you are not playing higher that 30/60 because your roll isn't greater that 500 bb combined with the fact that you trying out new games (2-7) it makes me think you haven't had such great results. I also had a number of posts from this year where you complained about your results from your time at the paradise 40/80 game. I made an inference based on these posts and I guess I was wrong. You could have put a lot of money down on a house or made a large investment.

[/ QUOTE ] I had bad days at the $40 games but overall I cleared 6 figures there in a ridiculously short time period. And I don't know what gave you the impression I have only 500 bbs for any game I play. I haven't played any game where I only have that much (or even double that much) in almost 3 years. Maybe you were skimming the blog and misunderstood something. It would be hard to convince myself I'm any good at poker at all these days if I couldn't win $30k every month, let alone only had that much total to my name.

[Enon]

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Matt has always said in his blog he is overly conservative bankroll management wise. So don't take the fact that he's playing 30/60 to mean he only has a 500BB roll for any given stakes.

So basically it comes down to Matt makes fun of 2+2'ers as a joke, and either those really good 2+2'ers or those non good 2+2'ers point out that there are really good 2+2'ers out there to try and win the argument, correct?

Kinda like how seemingly no one realized Vince/Smoothcall was a troll on here, few realize he's making a generalization joke to get a rise out of people. It's natural to mock someone like El due to his post count regardless of his success and skill.

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I read a post recently where Matt specifically stated that he'd only keep 500 BB online for 30/60 and only move up when he had 500BB for the next level. People take money offline for a number of reasons and I misunderstood him thinking he only had 500BB at 30/60 for his actual roll.

Anyways your second point completely missed Matt's ridiculous statement on here (that I'm very confident he believes) that very few players on 2+2 would match up to his hourly rate or possibly his skill level. Matt simply based this off of his claimed $700/hour winrate and assumed not many on here could do better. I'd like to see how his real hourly would stack up to great players like Schneider, J_V, SteveG, James282, Dcifrths, NYPlayer, HiatusOver, Nomar, DPR, Chawinski, Glen etc etc. at the end of the year.

I personally take no offense to his ribbing of 2+2ers and realize its all in good fun. Also, I admire his criticism of some groupthink and the signal too noise ratio that is present in many of the threads in the medium stakes and mid high short forum.

[Dids]

The thing about "groupthink" is that given what the forums became post Raymer's WSOP win and other developments, so much of the real critical thinking takes place offline. So what looks like groupthink tends to be the result of people talking elsewhere and coming up with ideas through discourse.

I don't disagree that the forums are non-awesome these days, but I do disagree that it's for the reasons that Maroon suggested, and I think they were far less true when he started suggesting them.

[Enon]

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I had bad days at the $40 games but overall I cleared 6 figures there in a ridiculously short time period.

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Over how many hands? This is pretty ridiculous and if true, congrats. Just suprised you wouldn't post how much you had won in your blog.

[TStoneMBD]

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don't disagree that the forums are non-awesome these days

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does that count as a triple negative? i had to read it 3 times to figure out what it meant.

-sorry for clutter

[*TT*]

Matt:

I read your book, I didn't like it. I felt the writing style was sloppy and disorganized. The short handed section decent, but it was as if you were unloading years worth of knowledge learned while obtaining a doctorate in nuclear physics to a high school junior... There is a disconnect between the book's audience and that chapter. You cannot write a book aimed at inexperienced players and expect them to learn the nuances of short handed play in 20 pages, especially when it comes across as information spewed all over the pages. Perhaps if you did an all shorthanded book I might like it better, but presented as is I think its been highly overrated by the short handed players here at 2+2. I wish I made notes at the time when I read it, but there were a few scenarios I thought you were being a bit too loose or careless in your examples. Unfortunately I don't have the time to re-read it to point it out, perhaps someone here who hasn't read your book yet like TStone can point it out when they do?

To everyone else: Please don't forget that ABC play is exploitable if you don't consider your opponent. The best players within this forum understand this concept they always compensate for their opponents, but its true that many are still learning this ability (I'm including me in this list) and tend to attack anything they feel is not correct - aka the hive mentality. When Matt is referring to the 2+2 player he could interchange it with RGP back when it was popular, he is really referring to anyone who plays ABC without deviating or adjusting based on the situation at hand. 2+2 is so huge that since it's become a label for the TAG style, he choses to use the 2+2 forum name it in a derogatory way for those who play this style without adjusting. Ignore the 2+2 diss because its really not an attack.... just consider it a stereo type. Of course that doesn't make his dissing right since if it wasn't for 2+2 he wouldn't know how to play poker in the first place, but its easier to ignore.

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[TheMaroon]

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Anyways your second point completely missed Matt's ridiculous statement on here (that I'm very confident he believes) that very few players on 2+2 would match up to his hourly rate or possibly his skill level. Matt simply based this off of his claimed $700/hour winrate and assumed not many on here could do better. I'd like to see how his real hourly would stack up to great players like Schneider, J_V, SteveG, James282, Dcifrths, NYPlayer, HiatusOver, Nomar, DPR, Chawinski, Glen etc etc. at the end of the year.


[/ QUOTE ]Ok, you just named 11 players. I'll just assume they all are better than me (it's far from impossible) and I'll even spot you another 39 and make it an even 50. What percentage of total 2+2 posters is that? There are over 50k registered here. We're below 0.1%.

That was the point. I consider 50 (and I doubt there are that many, but it's possible) very few when taken from a pool of tens of thousands. Certainly a small enough percentage that any ridiculing of 2+2ers could probably not be chalked up to jealousy.

[TheMaroon]

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Over how many hands? This is pretty ridiculous and if true, congrats. Just suprised you wouldn't post how much you had won in your blog.

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Just over 160k. I ran really hot, at around 8bb/100. A lot of it was 2-4 handed, but that's still ridiculously good luck. I'm pretty sure I mentioned in my blog that I was running very well there, but I stopped posting actual numbers long ago on the advice of a tax advisor.

[Losing all]

Why would someone making 100K a month on the internet live in Ohio? Serious question

[shaniac]

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Why would someone making 100K a month on the internet live in Ohio? Serious question

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Why does Dave Chapelle live in Ohio?