ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[pistol78]

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just to set the record straight i changed his title. I don't think it's wrong in the least, it's meant to be funny, and it is funny. Anyone that disagrees doesn't really have a sense of humor imo.

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It's wrong. You are a moderator.

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And as such is his duty to label the cheaters.

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His duty is not to decide what he thinks is cheating and then label the cheaters. Yes what was done was cheating in the opinion of the majority of the forum, including myself. However there are other types of less obvious cheating, where maybe only 30% of people would agree that its cheating. Do I think a moderator should be able to just label whomever they want as cheaters at any time? No I don't.

Moderators should be held to the highest standards. It's not their job to do something "funny" at the expense of someone else, whether they feel that person deserves it or not.

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What you describe is not what happened here. YOu are accusing him of doing something he has not. Zeejustin Cheated, he admitted to cheating, so he should be labeled as such.

Furthermore, If they can ban people for revealing screen names, and swearing, surely they should be able to not only label the cheaters that are on here, but also he should get banned from 2+2. He makes number 2 in 2 weeks.

His actions, affect this entire community. And we have a reputation to uphold.

What bothers me, is that you are more upset at him being a labeld a cheater by a mod, then you are at Z.

But then again, you did give him advice as to what would have been "fair" cheating so I can see why you might have a biased.

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I did not give him advice as to what would be "fair" cheating. I'm not going to go into detail of what happened, but that isn't it.

I will go into detail that I told ZJ that multiaccounting MTTs is wrong and it should never be done under any circumstance. This is a long term stance I've had on the issue and a lot of regular players know this about me.

I do believe that what ZJ did was wrong, but there are plenty of people attacking him here, you don't need me to do so also. However just because he is wrong doesn't mean that everyone's reaction to his behavior is great as well. There is a bit too much of a mob mentality here.

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I agree with you 100%.

However, he was merely labeled a cheater by a mod. It wasn't a false label correct? And it is not like we are getting together to go to his house or something.

[Matt24]

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My apologies, I have reread ZJ's post and realized that at no point does he admit that what he did was wrong. I thought that he did for some reason.

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Yes, weak, but whats just as weak is throwing the stuff out at the rest of us.... rakeback, etc.

[sng-sam]

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I would report him, but I don't know what any of his account names are, and I assume he's a losing player anyway.

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He is most definitly not a losing player. I know who he is I won't out him here but suffice to say he's good.

Straight Flushes,

SAM

[suzzer99]

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Is it fair to ask curtains (and others) how long/how much they knew about Zee and others multi-accounting? I certainly have absolutely no idea how much curtains, N 82 50 24, etc. knew or didn't know; but both of them seemed to be aware of what was going on before the knowledge became 'public' (which is indicative of nothing; both are friendly with him, and perhaps Zee both told them recently what was happening with Party -- and it's certainly possible curtains, N 82 50 24 WERE the ones reponsible for alerting Party, whether they admit it or not; or perhaps they just heard through the rumor mill; etc. etc. etc. In other words, there's lots and lots of way they could have known what was happening with ZJ without having kept the information private for a substantial amount of time).

However, I certainly think we could call into question the ethics of those who seemed to have some level of prior knowledge (again, I have no idea how much) but *didn't* alert Party, etc.

Again, this sounds like a witch-hunt; but it's somewhat common knowledge that some of the uber-skilled players here IM each other, have lots of contact outside of 2+2, etc. -- and I don't doubt curtains et al are completely sincere when they say they disagree with what Zee has done, and that they agree it's cheating, etc. But I think it's fair to question if some posters (probably a cadre of posters, who are again all friendly) have had some level of knowledge that Zee multi-accounts but didn't alert Party. Failing to alert Party (if they have known for months, for instance) is very unethical as well, despite the inclination not to "rat out" people we are friendly with.

I'm not claiming that out-ing their friend as a cheater was ideal (again, IF they had known Zee was multi accounting), but turning a blind eye to cheating (or not alerting Party) certainly cost some players money. I certainly would have to think long and hard before I turned in a friend to Party for cheating. I'd like to think I would, but not having been in such a situation, that's easy for me to say.

Perhaps I'm way out in left field here. My apologies to all if I am (and my apologies to curtains and N 82 50 24, who I'm sure I've unfairly singled out -- but curtains had the unfortunate luck of Zee mentioning his name as someone he consulted with, and N 82 50 24 has indicated he has 'known' something).

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Wait until your good friend comes to you with something unethical, but less than murder. See if you immediately race off to the nearest authority to turn him in.

[curtains]

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My apologies, I have reread ZJ's post and realized that at no point does he admit that what he did was wrong. I thought that he did for some reason.

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Yes, weak, but whats just as weak is throwing the stuff out at the rest of us.... rakeback, etc.

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Yes it was a terrible (terrible doesn't really do it justice) post IMO.

[Python49]

Let's keep in mind here that JJprodigy said there are plenty more. Seems obvious to me that the most likely cheaters would be people he is friends with whom have yet to speak up about this issue. Hey Bud Light, when you're done reporting the entire TLB (not sure if you were joking or not), go ahead and report some of those friends of JJ's. Some of the well known carpal tunnels with thousands of posts that are "viewing" this thread, but not posted a damned thing. Cat got their tongue for a reason?

And on a side note, ZJ will be back online in no time. New IP and new account = no problem

Also, I sure hope he really wouldn't stoop so low as to steal his rakeback customers money to help balance the 100k losses.

[Yeti]

ZJ,

I honestly cannot believe you just posted that. Wow.

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Let's keep in mind here that JJprodigy said there are plenty more. Seems obvious to me that the most likely cheaters would be people he is friends with whom have yet to speak up about this issue. Hey Bud Light, when you're done reporting the entire TLB (not sure if you were joking or not), go ahead and report some of those friends of JJ's. Some of the well known carpal tunnels with thousands of posts that are "viewing" this thread, but not posted a damned thing. Cat got their tongue for a reason?

And on a side note, ZJ will be back online in no time. New IP and new account = no problem

Also, I sure hope he really wouldn't stoop so low as to steal his rakeback customers money to help balance the 100k losses.

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There will be a lot less people doing this after the latest developments. I would suspect that ZJ has not done anything like this since the JJProdigy thing blew up also.

[Blarg]

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I just want to hear why you would let someone use your account, and if you have used one or more of their accounts.

You know what, where there's smoke, there's fire.

I am personally disgusted. However, I am feeling alot better about my game and my paultry results.

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This isn't actually all that uncommon. I've been asked by complete strangers to play out the rest of their SNG's when they've had to leave the computer for the evening suddenly or their ISP crashed and they couldn't get back online, and know others who have had the same favor asked of them. In fact many SNG players have a buddy or two they trade this favor with, and it has come up a few times in threads in the STT forum.

[graydot]

I am sure he will be back at it, as well as JJ, but I am not sure they will attempt to cheat in this way again... atleast we hope not