ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

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The thread is dying, there is obvious need for Giga dirt NOW. El D, don't tease us like that.

[SamG]

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SamG,

No argument there. Just saying that he was aware of ways that he could have cheated less but chose not to do so.

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El D,

Right. I actually deleted my post because I realized it is ZJ I should be pointing this out to, not you. Unfortunately, in view of his response in this thread, I do not think he cares much.

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BTW, everyone knows that this is a very common practice, right?

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Then it's okay, I guess?

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No it doesn't make it okay, but half the people respsonding to these threads seem to think JJP and ZeeJustin invented this practice out of whole cloth.

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I doubt it, and don't see how it would make a difference if they did.

It's the same act no matter who invented it. Cheating doesn't stop being cheating just because someone else does it too or thought of it first.

[Easytarget]

This is from a zee artice titled inside my tournament game:

On Sunday, I entered a $350+28 tournament on Party. The tournament attracted an astounding 2,334 players, and first place prize was just over $171,000. The Stars Sunday tournament was also big, and I decided that since the prize pools were so big, and since I could use a bit of real tournament practice before the upcoming WPT, that I would only play these two tables for the day, and really concentrate on playing my A game. that I would only play these two tables for the day, and really concentrate on playing my A game.

IS THAT 12 TABLES LOL

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party is being exceptionally [censored] sexual about this stuff, punishment should fit the crime and while i do think that there should be some punishment for this type of thing, nabbing all funds is a bit extreme

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Why is it extreme? If you go to a B&M casino and they catch you cheating, you don't get to cash out your chips. In fact, you'd probably be going to jail.

If you are at a private game, they'd keep your money and kick your ass.

I think if Party only keeps the money, he is getting off easy.

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Yup, people have wound up buried in the desert for much less.

[mother_brain]

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Party is really stepping up to the plate on this issue...

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Still, justice was done, so kudos to Party.

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Hopefully Party will put that money into their investigations team so they can track down even more cheaters like you.


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I hope I can make this post to point out exactly what a poor job Party has done with this entire situation. The OPs response from them clearly indicates that he did not provide them with any imformation they did not already possess. It was not until some every day user sent them word that they decided to take any action.

500+50 tourny X 6= $300 for party X 200 tournys =$60,000 for party + $100,000 in confiscated funds = $160,000 profit for party. And don't forget taking his affiliate crap.

ZeeJustin just told us how incredibly easy it was to cheat, and clearly the method he used would be incredibly easy for Party to flag. They have caught two people doing this that we know of. What percentage of total abusers do you think that is? How many people do you think they also have "already been flagged by our system as originating from the same IP/System" But they're just sitting there collecting 6X the entry fees rather than protecting honest players.

I'm glad they banned him and all, but I see zero evidence of party taking any action that could be deemed as exceptionally ethical or fair.

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All,

I think we all should be looking at the bigger picture here. There have been 2 high profile players that have have been shut down by Party in the past 2 weeks. While that is a big step in the right direction, I'm sure they haven't discovered more than 1/4% of people who are doing the exact same thing. What bothers me the most about the entire situation, is that Party has only acted after an email has been sent accusing the lowlife cheaters (in this case, JJ and ZJ) of doing what they were doing. Certainly, Party Poker must know that this is happening. They obviously have the equipment to see if multiple accounts are playing from the same computer, so on and so forth. To act only once someone has picked up on it is disgusting and shameful on Party's part.

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Yeah, they obviously should do a better job on their own inestigations w/o needing to be spurred by an outsider. Most crappily-run corporations don't tend to deal with things proactively (the more they talk about it the less they actually do) and only act when a crisis is at hand. Everything I've seen and heard about Party from this board would certainly suggest they are a crappily run corporation.

I think the rule is no one from the same IP can play in a ring game or STT. But MTTs are ok. But this all may change. The problem is that a lot of dorms, hotels, etc. all use the same router and IP. As far as checking for multiple account from the same computer, I'm not a windows programmer but I think that's actually tougher tougher than you'd think it would be--mainly due to privacy concerns.

What Party could do is a better job of detecting multiple instances of the same client and shutting them down. Sounds like they just check once, when the app is launched, and not after that. Just a guess though.

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"Say it ain't so Zee!!"


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This is exactly what I wrote on another forum when I read it.

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My apologies, I have reread ZJ's post and realized that at no point does he admit that what he did was wrong. I thought that he did for some reason.

edited again, he said the following:

In conclusion, I want to make it clear that I regret what I did, and have done somethings that were unethical.

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All,

I think we all should be looking at the bigger picture here. There have been 2 high profile players that have have been shut down by Party in the past 2 weeks. While that is a big step in the right direction, I'm sure they haven't discovered more than 1/4% of people who are doing the exact same thing. What bothers me the most about the entire situation, is that Party has only acted after an email has been sent accusing the lowlife cheaters (in this case, JJ and ZJ) of doing what they were doing. Certainly, Party Poker must know that this is happening. They obviously have the equipment to see if multiple accounts are playing from the same computer, so on and so forth. To act only once someone has picked up on it is disgusting and shameful on Party's part.

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Yeah, they obviously should do a better job on their own inestigations w/o needing to be spurred by an outsider. Most crappily-run corporations don't tend to deal with things proactively (the more they talk about it the less they actually do) and only act when a crisis is at hand. Everything I've seen and heard about Party from this board would certainly suggest they are a crappily run corporation.

I think the rule is no one from the same IP can play in a ring game or STT. But MTTs are ok. But this all may change. The problem is that a lot of dorms, hotels, etc. all use the same router and IP. As far as checking for multiple account from the same computer, I'm not a windows programmer but I think that's actually tougher tougher than you'd think it would be--mainly due to privacy concerns.

What Party could do is a better job of detecting multiple instances of the same client and shutting them down. Sounds like they just check once, when the app is launched, and not after that. Just a guess though.

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It was my understanding that Party concluded somehow that the accounts were being used on the same computer. If they have some fancy way of figuring this out, then the need to shut it down before it happens.