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05-23-2007, 09:24 PM
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Re: Prs to be making me less broke? Financial Follies
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "Act as if you have faith and faith will be given to you, abide in hope and you will be sustained in hope, commit to love and, in the end, your own wish for love will never be left wanting" [/ QUOTE ] Does anyone in the real world think, feel or act this way? Value-neutral question. [/ QUOTE ] Only the successful and happy. [/ QUOTE ] Are there any alternate voices out there who'd like to chime in on this? [/ QUOTE ] Sounds like bull [censored] to me and I don't understand the point of deceiving yourself to... whatever is being referred to. 
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#642
05-23-2007, 09:33 PM
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Re: Prs to be making me less broke? Financial Follies
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "Act as if you have faith and faith will be given to you, abide in hope and you will be sustained in hope, commit to love and, in the end, your own wish for love will never be left wanting" [/ QUOTE ] Does anyone in the real world think, feel or act this way? Value-neutral question. [/ QUOTE ] Only the successful and happy. [/ QUOTE ] Are there any alternate voices out there who'd like to chime in on this? [/ QUOTE ] Sounds like bull [censored] to me and I don't understand the point of deceiving yourself to... whatever is being referred to. [/ QUOTE ] Acting "as if" is a big part of the success formula for this place. The concept is also discussed a fair amount in this book, though I've only read the first half - which is the case studies section.
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#645
05-23-2007, 10:12 PM
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Re: Prs to be making me less broke? Financial Follies
I dropped out of college six credits shy of my American Studies degree because I failed to see the point of having a college degree. I refused to waste any more time toward obtaining a diploma I hoped never to use anyway.
Every time I see a rush hour jam, I can't help equating the social habit to any lower order species and thinking we've gone terribly wrong. They're ants. And most of the people in this situation are college educated. I just can't be part of that routine. Maintain your intellectual pursuits. The last thing our society needs is another career worker. I want to puke reading all the posts in this thread urging you to grow the [censored] up and pick a career. Their logic seems to hold that you're a waste if you don't participate in the corporatocracy, that even if you hate it, a job is necessary, but that you don't have to hate it, that perception is a state of mind. That may be fine for most, but not for someone with something more to offer. All that Wayne Dyer and "The Secret" [censored] just tools with your reactions to, and perceptions of, situations. They work, but that's not the point. What situations you put yourself in are still important considerations. You can think positively to the point of being positive about a crap job, but you don't want to be positive about a crap job. Being positive only makes you happier, it doesn't make your situation any more meaningful. I don't know you, and neither does anyone else, except you. And only you know your potential. And only you know how well a career would utilize everything you have to offer, what meaning it would give you. You've got that thinking/feeling battle going on, so no wonder you're confused, but certain things in your life feel more meaningful than others, I'm sure. Don't force yourself into anything. Too many people cram themselves into the social mold. Don't think you have to do the same just because an internet forum urges you. Simply do what you think/feel is right for you, independent of the good opinion of other people. Why do you consider yourself to be in such a bad spot, anyway? It's just money; nothing truly important. A starting place for what may be right for you: the top 5 occupation interests for an INFP are writer, psycologist, social worker, teacher and musician; four of five of which you are, socially, already qualified. Btw, I'm also 24, INTP and currently unemployed. I'm also content.
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#646
05-23-2007, 10:20 PM
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Re: Prs to be making me less broke? Financial Follies
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I want to puke reading all the posts in this thread urging you to grow the [censored] up and pick a career. Their logic seems to hold that you're a waste if you don't participate in the corporatocracy, that even if you hate it, a job is necessary, but that you don't have to hate it, that perception is a state of mind. That may be fine for most, but not for someone with something more to offer. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, the advice seems to be, "You're 17K+ in debt. Get off your ass and do something...anything..."
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#647
05-23-2007, 10:23 PM
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Re: Prs to be making me less broke? Financial Follies
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I could see how it would work on and perhaps help the mentally abused. [/ QUOTE ] When I read through the case study, I thought that it might work in a wider variety of situations. I think there's a fair amount of research into similar areas. Smart people with a lot of experience have told me that its almost impossible to change behavior by changing attitude. It just doesn't work that way - for whatever evolutionary/biological/psychological/whatever reason people freeze up with cognitive dissonance when you try to go that way. (You see it a ton on message boards. People will make weirder and weirder statements to keep supporting their arguments, even when presented with demonstrable proof of the fallacy of their position.) But, cognitive behaviorists have found that if you change behavior in people, you'll often times get the attitude changes that you tried to start with. If any of that is true, trying to convince Anacardo that his outlook on life is incorrect is doomed to failure. God himself could whisper the truth into his ear and he still wouldn't accept it. But, were Anacardo's to just change his behavior and still maintain his attitudes, he might reach a happier state. It can't really hurt, in any event.
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#648
05-23-2007, 10:24 PM
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Re: Prs to be making me less broke? Financial Follies
fifield -
i'm the same (INTP, 24, unemployed). i sincerely doubt you will feel content in ten years if you're in the same spot you are now. there's only so much learning a person can do. "When I see a group of young men philosophizing and talking haltingly, I find them praiseworthy - when I find older men doing this, I wish to beat them with a stick." - Callicles, in the Platonic dialogue Gorgias. all the rest of your post sounds like filtered Fight Club. Fighting 'the man' is adolescent - and the thing is, 'cardo is smart enough that if he puts his mind to it and sucks it up for a few years, he wouldn't have to work for the Man. Unfortunately his situation is such that he can't see a way out.
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#649
05-23-2007, 10:27 PM
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Re: Prs to be making me less broke? Financial Follies
In the meantime, though, it would help to have a job. Not a permanent lifestyle or anything. Just a friggin' job. That's all. No more drama than that.
How happy or deeply fulfilled a person is for just a few months is pretty trivial stuff, taken in any kind of perspective. People do harder things than taking a sucky job for a few months all the time. It hardly spells accepting the obliteration of one's soul.
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#650
05-23-2007, 10:48 PM
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Re: Prs to be making me less broke? Financial Follies
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[ QUOTE ] I could see how it would work on and perhaps help the mentally abused. [/ QUOTE ] When I read through the case study, I thought that it might work in a wider variety of situations. I think there's a fair amount of research into similar areas. Smart people with a lot of experience have told me that its almost impossible to change behavior by changing attitude. It just doesn't work that way - for whatever evolutionary/biological/psychological/whatever reason people freeze up with cognitive dissonance when you try to go that way. (You see it a ton on message boards. People will make weirder and weirder statements to keep supporting their arguments, even when presented with demonstrable proof of the fallacy of their position.) But, cognitive behaviorists have found that if you change behavior in people, you'll often times get the attitude changes that you tried to start with. If any of that is true, trying to convince Anacardo that his outlook on life is incorrect is doomed to failure. God himself could whisper the truth into his ear and he still wouldn't accept it. But, were Anacardo's to just change his behavior and still maintain his attitudes, he might reach a happier state. It can't really hurt, in any event. [/ QUOTE ] Alright, I won't disagree that it could work on normal people. I just don't understand why a smart, sane person like Anacardo would want to do it or would find it useful. I don't like the idea of unnaturally changing your personality except perhaps in the cases of the abused or extremely suicidal and such. And maybe douchebags...
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