New Fight Question

[StregaChess]

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According to wikipedia, Ali landed 6 punches.

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6 punches that he was pulling back on as it was a sideshow....

[Smasharoo]

What do you mean by less risk?

I mean less risk of physical injury. I may be wrong there, as I'm just assuming that the injury rate in MMA is higher than in boxing. If I'm mistaken, I apologise.

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You're missing the point. The point isn't that he's not good at boxing because he chose not to study it, the point is that if he could have been a world class boxer, he'd have to be an idiot not to have become a boxer instead as the finacial reward is enormously higher, as is the social recognition etc. etc.

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Your point is irrelevant as to who would win. The MMA fighter only needs to be a world class boxer if he's going to fight under boxing rules. If he's not going to fight under boxing rules, but under MMA rules, it doesn't make sense to train only in boxing because the chances of going to the ground and facing people who are skilled at ground fighting is extremely high. Just like if a world class BJJ guy decided to try and compete in boxing and with no actual training in boxing, he'd get killed, because the rules negate his skills on the ground.

Do you think that the sport of boxing would be absolutely unchanged if it switched to MMA rules? That guys would continue to stand toe-to-toe and punch each other for the entire fight? Why are such rules against kicks, elbows, knees, takedowns, and submissions in place in boxing if nothing would change?

You keep mentioning money as if it proves anything. It doesn't. Otherwise we wouldn't see people doing any sport but the highest paying one.

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With that level of vagueness, no. I'd concede that if the fight STARTED on the ground, that the skilled MMA fighter would almost certainly be a heavy favorite.

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I'm curious as to how you think a boxer, who's never been trained to avoid takedowns, will react to a feint-shoot. The boxer has maybe one good punch and it almost has to be a knockout or he's going down. And it's not going to be a clean punch either because when you shoot, you don't drop your hands and lead with your chin, nor are you at the same height as the boxer. You're at about waist height, with hands up guarding your face and reaching for the legs. And often they've set up the shot with a kick or punch attempt.

Also, what experience do you have in boxing and MMA other than what you've seen on tv/internet?

[BCPVP]

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What do you mean by less risk?

I mean less risk of physical injury. I may be wrong there, as I'm just assuming that the injury rate in MMA is higher than in boxing. If I'm mistaken, I apologise.

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There's a much higher risk of death or brain injury in boxing than in MMA. There's been a couple hundred deaths in boxing and only one in an unsanctioned MMA match.

[Smasharoo]

You keep mentioning money as if it proves anything. It doesn't. Otherwise we wouldn't see people doing any sport but the highest paying one.

No, we'd just see less talanted people doing the lower paying ones.

That's the point. Particularly when we're talking about two sports that are reasonably simmilar in terms of physical demands. This isn't polo and basketball we're talking about. It's two sports where if you remove skill sets, the physical atrributes and raw talent required are almost identical.


Also, what experience do you have in boxing and MMA other than what you've seen on tv/internet?

I've trained fighters from both disciplines.

You?

[Smasharoo]

There's a much higher risk of death or brain injury in boxing than in MMA. There's been a couple hundred deaths in boxing and only one in an unsanctioned MMA match.

Considering there ahve been litterally millions more boxing matches, that isn't exactly very compelling in terms of risk or long term effects, but ok. Maybe the MMA guys are scared to become boxers because it's too dangerous.

[BCPVP]

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No, we'd just see less talanted people doing the lower paying ones.

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You think that whoever is paid the most is the most talented? Maybe in their particular sport, but probably not in sports as a whole.

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That's the point. Particularly when we're talking about two sports that are reasonably simmilar in terms of physical demands. This isn't polo and basketball we're talking about. It's two sports where if you remove skill sets, the physical atrributes and raw talent required are almost identical.

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I don't think you can just remove skill sets and base it on who's the better athelete. Those skills matter, especially if in one sport they're allowed and in another they're banned. That changes the dynamic of the sport.

I think some of it is a comfort issue. If a boxer is making money doing boxing, why bother learning something very different?

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I've trained fighters from both disciplines.

You?

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I find that hard to believe. What do you mean by you've trained them? Were you ever a boxer? MMA fighter?

Some boxing experience and various martial arts (tae kwon do, bits of judo/jiu-jitsu, aikido). More aikido than anything at the moment.

[GiantBuddha]

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The martial artists and boxers would also have an edge in any competition with rules that favor their training and experience.

But if all the rules are gone, the very best street fighter would likely kill the very best of the other fields mentioned. I estimate the probabilies of success in the scenario mentioned as follows:

Street fighter - 60%
UFC fighter - 35%
Navy Seal - 3%
Traditional Martial Artist - 1%
Boxer - 1%

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What do you think a martial artist trains for? We're not talking about Steven Lopez here. If we were, I agree, he'd get schooled.

[w_alloy]

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Also, what experience do you have in boxing and MMA other than what you've seen on tv/internet?

I've trained fighters from both disciplines.


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You are talking completely out of your ass, and I'm not comming back to this thread.

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It's two sports where if you remove skill sets, the physical atrributes and raw talent required are almost identical.


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This is wrong too, and disproves the above to an extent.

[BCPVP]

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There's a much higher risk of death or brain injury in boxing than in MMA. There's been a couple hundred deaths in boxing and only one in an unsanctioned MMA match.

Considering there ahve been litterally millions more boxing matches, that isn't exactly very compelling in terms of risk or long term effects, but ok. Maybe the MMA guys are scared to become boxers because it's too dangerous.

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Think about it logically. Boxers can only punch and usually knockdowns/knockouts are from punches to the head. Boxers can usually continue after having been knocked down as long as they make it up before the 10 count. MMA fights can often be stopped because of a knockdown. MMA fighters also aren't only attacking the head with punches, but also slams to the body, arm and leg attacks, knees, etc. The attacks are more evenly distributed over the body.

And I doubt that how dangerous boxing is is much of a factor for keeping most mma guys from doing it, though it might be for some.