Curtains vs PoG

[TimM]

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I don't like any of the "tempo gaining" moves attacking the queen. White's queen is not currently on a very good square (it attacks none of our weaknesses and blocks the dark squared bishop from getting to d4 where it would blockade our pawn and radiate power on both sides of the board), so I'd just let it be. I like Qe7 here, with the ideas of Qe4 (moving in on the light squares) or Rd8 with the intention of advancing the pawn.

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17...Qe7 for the ballot too?

OK, make your case.

17...Qe7 18.Bb2 Qe4+ 19.Kg1 Qf3? Maybe 19...Qg4 intending Qh3? This might be good.


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OK...

17...Qe7 18.Bb2 Qe4+ 19.Kg1 Qg4 White goes 20.Qd3 and you dont have time for 20...Qh3 because of 21.Bxf6 gxf6 22.Qxd5. I don't see any good moves for Black here, 20...Ne4 21.f3 Nc5 22.Qxd5, any other knight move White just goes 21.Qxd5, or 21.Bxf6 on most other moves.

On 19...Qf3 I don't see how you are really penetrating since you can't move the knight yet. 20.Rad1 and now what? 20...Rac8 and now 21.Qd3 again with similar problems.

So 19...Qf5 20.Rad1 Rac8 (20...Qh3 21.Rxd5) 21.Qd3

Or 19...Rac8. This is the only way I see to maybe improve on 17...Rac8. Maybe there is something here but I'm not sure it's better than 17...Rac8.

[chuckleslovakian]

PoG plays 17...Rc8

1. c4 e5
2. g3 Nf6
3. Bg2 c6
4. d4 exd4
5. Qxd4 d5
6. cxd5 cxd5
7. Nf3 Nc6
8. Qd3 Nb4
9. Qb3 Bf5
10. Nd4 Be4
11. 0-0 Bc5
12. Nc3 Bxg2
13. Kxg2 Bxd4
14. Qxb4 Bxc3
15. Qxc3 0-0
16. b3 Re8
17. e3 Rc8

Curtains

PoG

It is now Curtains Turn

[grando]

I have a feeling this was a bad move and we're gonna be in serious trouble in 5 moves

[StregaChess]

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I have a feeling this was a bad move and we're gonna be in serious trouble in 5 moves

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Well if that's the case I missed your post where you defended your choice for this turn.....

[curtains]

18.Qd3

[StregaChess]

I said this a few post back.....

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I agree if we play Rc8, I think his move is Qd3. I think he’s taking a very deliberate approach, trying to eliminate counter play, and focusing on our “weak” d pawn.


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Just repeating this now as I think its time we are going to have structure our thoughts around his long term plans at least as much as specific variations of we can go to Qg4... etc...
If this was a correspondence game that I had my soul into I’d be taking all of the pieces off the board and playing this out K vs K, R vs R, 2R vs 2R and B vs N......

[NajdorfDefense]

Ne4 is ultra-easy and standard follow-up here.

[StregaChess]

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Ne4 is ultra-easy and standard follow-up here.

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It's not a heavy piece you can just as easy move it to g4 or h5. Suggesting that it is a standard follow-up without anything to back it up is not very helpful. If Ne4 is standard so is Re6, Qd7 and most other random moves, cause I said so....

And from e4 what are you doing with the knight?

[Lori]

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Ne4 is ultra-easy and standard follow-up here.

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It's not a heavy piece you can just as easy move it to g4 or h5. Suggesting that it is a standard follow-up without anything to back it up is not very helpful. If Ne4 is standard so is Re6, Qd7 and most other random moves, cause I said so....

And from e4 what are you doing with the knight?

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I think it's just a good all-around move. It allows us to play f5 if we so desire, puts some pressure on f2 (and g3) which might be handy, allows us to whip the Queen across to defend, or to attack and has the option to nip into c5 if it wants to to attack the Queen. I'm sure that some of those are currenly redundant, but also that the combination of those 'threats' would be quite handy to have.

Lori

[fnord_too]

Is QE7 Awful? With the intent of forcing a queen trade and un-isolating our pawn.