Did Mike M made a mistake with the Kings? (WSOP spoiler)

[UATrewqaz]

That's really good analysis, much better than I would have thought out, but I think it boils down to a few simple factors.

1. This is the final table of the WSOP for mucho money and you aren't going to get that many premium hands (AA/KK, etc).

2. The pot is already huge and if you can become a mega chipleader and pretty much coast your way to 3-4 handed if you win, should you so choose.

In other words this is a once in a lifetime, stars are perfectly aligned hand, you put your chips IN.

The other guy has aces, well geezum crow. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[AaronO]

Maybe I'm wrong, but under scenario 1, doesn't Mike have pot odds to call even if he does put Lazar on Aces.
$250K (Initial amount in pot)+ $400K (Danneman raise)+ $1M (Lazar raise)+ $2.25M (Matasow raise)+ $2.7M (Lazar reraise)= $6.6M
$6.6M/$1.5M (amount for MM to call reraise)= 4.4

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The mistake that Mike made with Kings was that he allowed the situation to tilt him.

After the Kings (at least from what I remember from the Cardplayer live hand for hand broadcast, and not the ESPN coverage), Mike started raising wildly after the hand. This cut into his stack even more. He did get his money in good at the end, but he was only a 60-40 favorite. Had he not bluffed off so many chips before that, he would have had Dannemann covered on his last hand, and had another shot.

Just my opinion. And I look forward to other perspectives.

[Easy E]

Odds are about 4.6:1 KK vs AA

Probably close enough to call, since it won't knock you out

[durron597]

Hasan Habib folded KK preflop in WPT foxwoods (and was correct).

[Fallen Hero]

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The mistake that Mike made with Kings was that he allowed the situation to tilt him.

After the Kings (at least from what I remember from the Cardplayer live hand for hand broadcast, and not the ESPN coverage), Mike started raising wildly after the hand. This cut into his stack even more. He did get his money in good at the end, but he was only a 60-40 favorite. Had he not bluffed off so many chips before that, he would have had Dannemann covered on his last hand, and had another shot.

Just my opinion. And I look forward to other perspectives.

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mike played the same way he did the rest of the week, raising with nothign to win small pots, he was pretty happy about his play after that hand (he said so after getting knocked out) so I doubt he tilted much.

People need to realize that hands that go "raise pf, fold fold fold, mike wins the blinds" don't get shown on tv, the ones where he gets called are most likely shown.

[TheBlueMonster]

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The mistake that Mike made with Kings was that he allowed the situation to tilt him.

After the Kings (at least from what I remember from the Cardplayer live hand for hand broadcast, and not the ESPN coverage), Mike started raising wildly after the hand. This cut into his stack even more. He did get his money in good at the end, but he was only a 60-40 favorite. Had he not bluffed off so many chips before that, he would have had Dannemann covered on his last hand, and had another shot.

Just my opinion. And I look forward to other perspectives.

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mike played the same way he did the rest of the week, raising with nothign to win small pots, he was pretty happy about his play after that hand (he said so after getting knocked out) so I doubt he tilted much.

People need to realize that hands that go "raise pf, fold fold fold, mike wins the blinds" don't get shown on tv, the ones where he gets called are most likely shown.

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agreed. It's also not true that Lazar's preflop fold of what would have been quads led him to tilt away with Q10. I remember listening to the live broadcast and I think Lazar had been losing chips and hands between the Aces and Q10 and just got frustrated. Stupidly so.

[Vincent Lepore]

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his agressive play also leads to his opponents with hands a lot worse than aces taking shots at him


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I agree with most of what you wrote except the above. No one was taking a shot at Matosow in this situation.

In this situation you had an early raiser then a reraise by a short stack that appeared to want a call from the early raiser. My guess is that when Matosow looked down and saw K,K that's all he thought of and just reacted and pushed. I'm not faulting him for that or even saying that I would not have done the same thing. But if you read HOH you'll find a paragraph in which Harrington tells you that when faced with a tough decision to pause for a moment and recreate the hand and the action. This is very good advice. Would it have made a difference? Maybe not but just maybe it would have.

Vince

[Vincent Lepore]

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you're giving this guy way to much credit

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Maybe. But one thing I believe is that all of the final table players understood is that A,A is the very best hand you can have and having a runout for all your chips against one opponent is a very good sitution, indded.

Vince

[Burno]

Details?

I googled but I suck.