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#51
11-12-2005, 07:16 PM
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Re: Player Discussion
FWIW (not much) I'd choose AQs with the qualifier that preflop play was disregarded (like Mason suggested). My reasoning is that the flop is basically like a freeroll for AQs, if he hits a pair or picks up a very strong draw, he can raise or check-raise the pair of jack's continuation bet. However, if he misses, he's not going to lose anything more from the hand.
As an aside, AQs might be even more powerful for the reason I stated above for the sheer fact that you have an extra card to bluff off of, namely the K. However, this is assuming that you are pretty sure that he has JJ, which would avoid you getting money in on a K 2 3 board when he has AK, etc... Who knows! Edit: This is disregarding position, which obviously has a lot of bearing on the hand. 
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#52
11-12-2005, 07:28 PM
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Re: Player Discussion
mind set mindset.
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#53
11-12-2005, 08:20 PM
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Re: Confusion
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Here's a hint. In almost all cases the ace-queen will check the flop and the player holding the jacks will bet probably somewhere between half the pot to the whole pot. [/ QUOTE ] Here is what I think Mason is getting at. Since we're assuming the JJ will always bet when checked to, when your AQ hits and you check, you'll win more than JJ will when your AQ misses and you check fold. With JJ, an overcard comes on the flop 57% IIRC. Let's look at a few flop scenarios of JJ vs AQ. (ignoring the flush possibilities) All undercards: AQ check folds. An ace flops. Unless your opponent has AK you're good here. Check and see what opponent does. We're assuming JJ bets, so repop it with AQ and you take down a larger pot. A King flops: AQ checks, JJ bets. Check raise here also and represent AK. Unless villain has AA here, you probably take it down. KK would not play this way, and QQ and JJ fold. A Queen flops: This is probably what I don't want to see since KK is a likely holding for villain given preflop play. Just taking a stab at what the hint might have meant? I realize this is an over simplification of the situation. I'd definitely take JJ though also.
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#54
11-12-2005, 08:34 PM
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Re: Confusion
I'll take AQs.....if my props were AQ10 for my big daddy. Mason I'm curious if your point is that when you are out of position, called the reraise preflop, and the flop came 10 7 2r, you'd rather have AQs rather than JJ because you know you're checking, and you know he's betting, so the decision becomes easier because you have no pair/no draw, where as with JJ you can't know if AK is blowing you off your hand or if you have 2 outs? I think that's part of the point you're trying to make yes?
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#56
11-12-2005, 10:00 PM
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Re: Player Discussion
i kind of like having the AQs here, more flexibility in how it's played, and the suited adds a lot of value. with position can check it behind on the flop, get one or two free cards, bluff that king card. with JJ it's a guessing game, have to call off allt he chips and read him right, then find out if he's got those AA kings or queens or is bluffing.
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#57
11-12-2005, 11:28 PM
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Re: Player Discussion
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i kind of like having the AQs here, more flexibility in how it's played, and the suited adds a lot of value. with position can check it behind on the flop, get one or two free cards, bluff that king card. with JJ it's a guessing game, have to call off allt he chips and read him right, then find out if he's got those AA kings or queens or is bluffing. [/ QUOTE ] Remember, bruiser, you don't know that he has JJ.
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#58
11-13-2005, 12:23 AM
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Re: Confusion
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A King flops: AQ checks, JJ bets. Check raise here also and represent AK. Unless villain has AA here, you probably take it down. KK would not play this way, and QQ and JJ fold. [/ QUOTE ] I'm a limit player, but I like to browse the NL forums from time to time, and I found this discussion interesting enough that I wanted to contribute. For those advocating AQs over JJ saying that there is 3 overcards that you can bluff with, this is wrong. If I have AQs and raised, then was re-raised significantly and the flop comes K95 for example, I am not happy. This seems like a check-fold to me, not a check-raise. How'd I do?
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#60
11-13-2005, 12:40 AM
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Re: Confusion
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what are you scared of on that board? AK and AA. You're never going to call preflop if you think your opponent has those anyway. [/ QUOTE ] You mean to tell me his re-raise means he does not have AA or AK, but certainly has JJ instead?
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