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Old 03-03-2006, 03:27 AM
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All,

I think this question is more interesting if you answer (given the pre-flop action) what range of stack size you push with each of AQ/AK/99/AA there.

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I think many here are missing the true importance of this question. And only part of it relates to how much any given hand is worth in terms of big blinds (see Sklansky-Karlson ratings for that if you think answer is same for cash games as for tourneys, which I think it is mostly).

The real importance is that you don't want your opponent to always correctly know what to do in response to your reraise given the size of your stack.
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Old 03-03-2006, 08:32 AM
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Forgive me if this has been discussed before.

Nine handed 25-50 game with typical players for those stakes. They all have you covered. Early position brings it in for 200. Three callers. You have AK in the big blind.

Obviously with any kind of shortish stack you would move in. My question is how big does that stack have to be before you would seriously consider not moving in? And how would being suited change your answer?

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How tight is the raiser?, and would the coldcallers ever c/c w/ KK+ here?
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Old 03-03-2006, 08:35 AM
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Default Re: AK Move In Question

if the answer to my 2 ?s is:
1) normalish (im sure this means different things for different people)

2) very rarely (~2% of their handrange each), then I'd say I'd consider not pushing once my stack was over 3k or so, and would definitely not push if my stack was over 6k (add ~10% to each of those figures if sooooooted).

EDIT: I'm assuming your oppenents play almost as well as you postflop, if they are bad postflop my numbers for pushing AK preflop drastically decrease obviously.
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Old 03-03-2006, 08:42 AM
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Obv completely player dependant, however, most TAGs at this level are not going to be popping it with AQ UTG, and most are going to limp JJ and TT a significant amount of the time.

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He said typical, not TAG. Typical 25/50 players are SOOOOOOOOOOOOO ridiculously aggro. I'd say AJ is probably about even vs UTG's range.
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Old 03-05-2006, 03:56 AM
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Default Re: AK Move In Question

it really depends on the the early position raiser. What would he raise with in that spot?
And more importantly what is your image? What kind of a hand does the pre-flop raiser need to call you? the callers in between shouldn't be a problem, but you never know. Might one of them put you on A/K and call with pocket Jacks? Are they gamblers or professional poker players?
Anything less than $2000, I'd move in - more than that, I'd have to re-examine.

Also, would you make this play(moving in) with Aces, kings or queens...or would you just re-raise? And do your opponents know this?
All of these questions really have to be answered first.
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Old 03-05-2006, 08:21 AM
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I'd move in with $1000 or less. Anything over, I'll slowplay call.

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This comment should be obvious, but in the BB with this action there is no number x where stack > x is a call.
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Old 03-05-2006, 10:20 AM
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I'd move in with $1000 or less. Anything over, I'll slowplay call.

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This comment should be obvious, but in the BB with this action there is no number x where stack > x is a call.

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so your folding prefop???????????????????
The options are raise/call, folding is not one of them to this action.
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