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#51
09-09-2007, 09:02 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
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They are much more valuable. I often see figures of around 0.16c per point quoted around here. [/ QUOTE ] I believe a decimal point error there Josem, 1 Stars FPP = 1.6c approx value via concierge service, 1.5c via $1500 bonus. 
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#52
09-09-2007, 09:03 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
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I believe a decimal point error there Josem, 1 Stars FPP = 1.6c approx value via concierge service, 1.5c via $1500 bonus. [/ QUOTE ] Yep, you're right... sorry about that.
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#53
09-09-2007, 09:11 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
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I joined Full Tilt and like an idiot i knew nothing about Rakeback. So i'm playing $50 HU sit n gos and don't have rakeback. (i never play cash games) Would stars be more beneficial for me? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. However I have no idea how the HU SNG game conditions are at Stars (could be better or worse, probly about the same). How much you would benefit would depend on how much you play. Playing $50+$2.5 SNG's you'd get 13vpp per tournament. To achieve the various VIP levels you would need to play the following number of tournaments: Silver: 116/month Gold: 308/month Platinum: 770/month Supernova: 7693/year Supernova Elite: 76924/year Once you achieve each of the levels above, you would receive rakeback in the amount of (per tournament): Silver: $.2223 (8.892% rakeback)* Gold: $.2964 (11.856% rakeback)* Platinum: $.4225 (16.9% rakeback)** Supernova: $.6825 (27.3% rakeback)*** Supernova Elite: $.975 (39% rakeback)*** *$.0114/fpp **$.013/fpp ***$.015/fpp Differing fpp rates used to reflect different bonuses available for purchase by the various VIP levels. You can sometimes do better buying merchandise instead. Used Gold bonus rate for Silver even though Silver doesn't have a bonus available. You'd need to use other resources (tournament tickets) if you were only Silver. Does not include value of VIP freerolls. Supernova and Supernova Elite do not include milestone bonuses and other awards and promotions. Actually, the real comparison is the net fee you would be paying per tournament at Stars vs FTP. Which is as follows: Silver: $50+$2.2777 Gold: $50+$2.2036 Platinum: $50+$2.0775 Supernova: $50+$1.8175 Supernova Elite: $50+$1.525 You're paying $50+$2.50 at FTP so you can see based on the chart above vs the amount of tournaments you play just how much you would be saving per tournament. Just to take this one step further. If you played the exact number of tournaments (on a monthly/yearly basis) to make the listed VIP level you would save: Silver: $25.7868/month Gold: $91.2912/month Platinum: $325.325/month Supernova: $5250.475/year Supernova Elite: $75000.90/year (Boy I hope all the math is correct here!)
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#55
09-09-2007, 09:18 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
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[ QUOTE ] I joined Full Tilt and like an idiot i knew nothing about Rakeback. So i'm playing $50 HU sit n gos and don't have rakeback. (i never play cash games) Would stars be more beneficial for me? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. However I have no idea how the HU SNG game conditions are at Stars (could be better or worse, probly about the same). How much you would benefit would depend on how much you play. Playing $50+$2.5 SNG's you'd get 12.5vpp per tournament. To achieve the various VIP levels you would need to play the following number of tournaments: Silver: 120/month Gold: 320/month Platinum: 800/month Supernova: 8000/year Supernova Elite: 80000/year Once you achieve each of the levels above, you would receive rakeback in the amount of (per tournament): Silver: $.21375 (8.55% rakeback)* Gold: $.285 (11.4% rakeback)* Platinum: $.40 (16% rakeback)** Supernova: $.65625 (26.25% rakeback)*** Supernova Elite: $.9375 (37.5% rakeback)*** *$.0114/fpp **$.013/fpp ***$.015/fpp Differing fpp rates used to reflect different bonuses available for purchase by the various VIP levels. You can sometimes do better buying merchandise instead. Used Gold bonus rate for Silver even though Silver doesn't have a bonus available. You'd need to use other resources (tournament tickets) if you were only Silver. Does not include value of VIP freerolls. Supernova and Supernova Elite do not include milestone bonuses and other awards and promotions. Actually, the real comparison is the net fee you would be paying per tournament at Stars vs FTP. Which is as follows: Silver: $50+$2.28626 Gold: $50+$2.215 Platinum: $50+$2.10 Supernova: $50+ 1.84375 Supernova Elite: $50+$1.5625 You're paying $50+$2.50 at FTP so you can see based on the chart above vs the amount of tournaments you play just how much you would be saving per tournament. Just to take this one step further. If you played the exact number of tournaments (on a monthly/yearly basis) to make the listed VIP level you would save: Silver: $25.65/month Gold: $91.20/month Platinum: $320/month Supernova: $5250/year Supernova Elite: $75000/year (Boy I hope all the math is correct here!) [/ QUOTE ] very very helpful, thanks a lot chief.
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#56
09-09-2007, 09:22 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
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And to completley screw all your nice math, you get 13 vpp. [/ QUOTE ] Lol - Editing. I don't play tournaments. Didn't realize they round up - works out even better...
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#59
09-09-2007, 10:24 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
I'd like to retract this thread and apologise for posting while intoxicated.
It won't happen (much) again. ps ps has no rakeback
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#60
09-09-2007, 10:54 PM
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Re: The myth of PS rakeback
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What it boils down to is, if you have a brain and don't play 8749836598347 hands a month, then you shouldn't ever play on Pokerstars. That is unless you have a strange fetish for stress balls and other useless crap. [/ QUOTE ] On a slightly more serious note the above is what I believe to be true. Plus in the games I play on FTP the juice is identical to PS. Although I'm willing to conceed this has not always been the case.
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