KK hand. 4400 stacks 5-10 6-max.. - Page 6

punter11235 · #51 03-02-2006, 03:33 AM

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First, you are assuming that your unknown opponent knows how you will play here. And second, you are expecting him to adjust correctly to that for his value betting.

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I dont. The point is no matter how he playes I will win enough with better hands here if he is betting that way if I had stronger hands next time (which I well may have) to cover for folding now. Its the same reasoning as in unraised pot example where the flop is for example 865 and you are not going broke there with bottom set usually. Final pot is just to big compared to initial one.

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Does this include QQ-TT?

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I dont think he is firing 3 barrels with QQ-TT. I think QQ-TT usually dont even fire 2 full pot bets.

punter11235 · #52 03-02-2006, 03:38 AM

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you have to call

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xorbie · #53 03-02-2006, 03:46 AM

why do people think AA is somehow not a bluff but QQ is? that's so results oriented it's not even funny (meaning given hero's actual hand).

AA reraises preflop to put 4% of effective stacks in play. you guys dont think 55, 77, 88, 56, 57, are still playing along? you think AA just pots pots pots? i don't see how that's any less of a bluff than villain having the other KK or QQ.

flawless_victory · #54 03-02-2006, 03:50 AM

because AA beats KK/QQ which are the most likely hands for hero?
i mean, this is incredibly obvious.

Jocke_F · #55 03-02-2006, 04:05 AM

how is putting 1000 in the pot a freeshot to hit a 2 or 3 outer?

Nezzar · #56 03-02-2006, 06:44 AM

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whitelime,

Very good post. The problem with discussing hands as the stakes get higher is exactly what you said. Players start to adjust to personal tendencies much more, and decisions become hard to define when you aren't the one playign them.

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I agree.

Nezzar · #57 03-02-2006, 06:50 AM

Hi jkrantz,

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If this guy will fire 3 barrels, call the turn and insta-call the river (no reason to raise turn).

If this guy will fire 2 barrels and shut down on the river, shove the turn and hope he makes a crying call with a lower PP.

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This is my first session with villain. I should have mentioned that in the OP.

Nezzar · #58 03-02-2006, 07:10 AM

Hi cero,

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Regardless, if you are thinking about folding on the turn, this guy is not LAGgy. Well played until the turn call, and in many cases, calling is right there, too. Those cases are the ones in which he will not shut down a bluff when you call a thou. Good LAGs probably will (or not?), so you are just giving THEM a free shot to spike a 2 or 3 outer on you by smoothcalling the turn.

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I like your post. I am willing to let THEM spike a 2 or 3 outer so I can get value on a good river (he has QQ or JJ and checks river I bet/push or he continues bluffing). Good point/thought about good lags not bluffing the river. How good is this villain? I didnt know at the time and i still dont.

Nezzar · #59 03-02-2006, 07:16 AM

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whoa - when i flat call a pf reraise w KK i am doing it to bust someone up on low card flop like this. i raise flop. no? ok, then i raise turn. river eh, bad card.

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For me this depents very much on stacksizes.

Nezzar · #60 03-02-2006, 07:29 AM

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Raise the turn. As played on the river you have to call. If he is aggresive, he may simply be firing a second barrel on that turn and the river Q could hit him, but not neccessarily because he has QQ. Seriously if he has AQ wouldn't it be reasonable for him to bet the river for value? Couldn't he put poster on a hand other than AA or KK? If he can't- then what is the reason to play kings this way?

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Shaun and all,

He could very well put me on another hand than AA or KK as he has seen me coming in for a raise with A-3o from utg or utg+1 and bust a guy with a turned straight.