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#51
08-27-2007, 02:44 PM
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Re: Purposely scratching in 8-ball?
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[ QUOTE ] In WV, we played that no matter what balls or how many you sank, it was still open until you complete after the break. So if you sink three solids on the break, it's still open. If you miss a follow-up shot, your opponent could steal your solids. It's a terrible rule. [/ QUOTE ] this is actually standard at most bars, and is in fact the official rule. why is you think it's so terrible? the point of the rule is to reduce the advantage that comes with getting the break. i think most would agree that ideally it should be as close to nothing as possible. the alternative is that when you break and successfully pocket balls, not only is it your turn first, but you automatically get the color with fewer balls left. that seems like it would be a much worse outcome, no? [/ QUOTE ] This is not an APA rule, so I'm not sure which official rules you're referring to. The APA rule – which any APA league in the US uses – is that if you only pocket stripes or only solids on the break, you are stripes or solids respectively. If you sink one of each, it's still open. I'm not sure what the rule is if you sink two stripes and one solid, though I'm tempted to say it's still open. 
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#52
08-27-2007, 03:12 PM
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Re: Purposely scratching in 8-ball?
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This is not an APA rule, so I'm not sure which official rules you're referring to. The APA rule – which any APA league in the US uses – is that if you only pocket stripes or only solids on the break, you are stripes or solids respectively. If you sink one of each, it's still open. I'm not sure what the rule is if you sink two stripes and one solid, though I'm tempted to say it's still open. [/ QUOTE ] World Pool Association Billiard Congress of America Wiki page on 8-ball wiki seems to suggest WPA is "official", and that's what i've always used, but it does seem the APA uses the rule as you described don't understand why you think the "automatic open table" rule is so bad though. but my original point was just to make clear that it isn't just a regional WV thing.
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#53
08-27-2007, 03:31 PM
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Re: Purposely scratching in 8-ball?
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[don't understand why you think the "automatic open table" rule is so bad though. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe I've just become used to APA because of my league. It took a while to get used to "slop counts" rules. In APA, you don't have to call any pockets, except for the eight.
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#54
08-27-2007, 03:33 PM
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Re: Purposely scratching in 8-ball?
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[ QUOTE ] [don't understand why you think the "automatic open table" rule is so bad though. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe I've just become used to APA because of my league. It took a while to get used to "slop counts" rules. In APA, you don't have to call any pockets, except for the eight. [/ QUOTE ] sounds like APA sucks
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#55
08-27-2007, 03:35 PM
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Re: Purposely scratching in 8-ball?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [don't understand why you think the "automatic open table" rule is so bad though. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe I've just become used to APA because of my league. It took a while to get used to "slop counts" rules. In APA, you don't have to call any pockets, except for the eight. [/ QUOTE ] sounds like APA sucks [/ QUOTE ] I thought that at first, but you'd be surprised at how few unintentional shots are made when good players are playing each other.
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#56
08-27-2007, 04:49 PM
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Re: Purposely scratching in 8-ball?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [don't understand why you think the "automatic open table" rule is so bad though. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe I've just become used to APA because of my league. It took a while to get used to "slop counts" rules. In APA, you don't have to call any pockets, except for the eight. [/ QUOTE ] sounds like APA sucks [/ QUOTE ] I thought that at first, but you'd be surprised at how few unintentional shots are made when good players are playing each other. [/ QUOTE ] but.. if few = more than one, it's too many.
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#59
08-27-2007, 05:24 PM
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Re: Purposely scratching in 8-ball?
Yeah, I think you understood it.
[ QUOTE ] but.. if few = more than one, it's too many. [/ QUOTE ] I could be wrong, but it sounded to me like you were saying you don't like games that allow slop. 9-ball allows slop, hence I assumed you don't like it/don't think it requires as much skill as a game like WPA 8-ball.
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#60
08-27-2007, 10:56 PM
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Re: Purposely scratching in 8-ball?
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A lot of people play that scratching on the 8-ball is loss, however, under the world standardized 8-ball rules, you only lose if you pocket the 8-ball and foul the shot. So, if you just scratch when you're down to the 8-ball, it is just a normal foul and your opponent gets to take the cue ball in hand. If you scratch AND pocket the 8-ball, you lose. SpaceAce [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for this post- you made me look it up and find out a BUNCH of rules I wasn't aware of. World Standardized rules of pool
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