16 FTP Pros in 500K today - Page 6

bustedromo · #51 08-06-2007, 01:00 AM

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wtf FTP is a private company and they can give money to anyone they feel like it

i dont see why this bothers you, OP.

unless you'd be fine with FTP telling you that you shouldn't give christmas presents to your kids, or w/e

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Wrong. I'm a customer of FTP. I play in a lot of their tournaments. I play a lot of cash games. I provide a lot of revenue to them. And yes, they do care what I think. I sent all my thoughts to them in emails and they responded that they are in the process of considering my input and will get back to me.

Extrapolate the trend. Instead of the 100 or so FTP Pros there are now, imagine if there were 1000. The scenario becomes ridonkulous. The variance on both their play and their marketability is such that it's impossible to tell if these people are really any good at anything.

Why not just have freerolls to see who gets to be in red ? The effect would be the same.

betgo · #52 08-06-2007, 01:01 AM

These "pros" probably get free entry fees, but they come way cheaper than Ivey, Benyamine, or Lindgren, or a recent WSOP ME winner or someone with a bunch of TV final tables. Also, real world class players play high stakes, and ordinary amateur player wouldn't get a chance to play them anyway. A lot of these people are there because they are friends or relatives of someone rather than for TV exposure. Who knows whether the cheap lame pros work for Full Tilt.

Mr. Ratface · #53 08-06-2007, 01:01 AM

OP, why are you so stupid? God Damn though.

Squareview · #54 08-06-2007, 01:02 AM

like 2 years ago i used to school perry friedman. hes so bad

early325 · #55 08-06-2007, 01:03 AM

Who cares if they are good at anything?

There is $200 in the prizepool that represents their seat. Would you have the same problem if someone paid for my seat? Or would it be fine because my name isn't in red?

Mr. Ratface · #56 08-06-2007, 01:08 AM

Did you bust out of the tourney by a pro?

Oh and incase you missed it.

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OP, why are you so stupid? God Damn though.

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john voight · #57 08-06-2007, 01:22 AM

wow, OP.

lets say you own a bar. and you give someone a drink "on the house". The drink is not free. The money dosnt come off a tree. It comes out of the Bar's pocket.

Well, here, FT is taking $500 and instead of giving it to their software development team, they put it into the prize pool so that a pro can freroll it. The only difference is the pro got "staked". Is this is crazy? Do you bitch and whine about Stars letting Hachem freroll any event he wants at the WSOP?

Get a life man.

bustedromo · #58 08-06-2007, 01:36 AM

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wow, OP.

lets say you own a bar. and you give someone a drink "on the house". The drink is not free. The money dosnt come off a tree. It comes out of the Bar's pocket.

Well, here, FT is taking $500 and instead of giving it to their software development team, they put it into the prize pool so that a pro can freroll it. The only difference is the pro got "staked". Is this is crazy? Do you bitch and whine about Stars letting Hachem freroll any event he wants at the WSOP?

Get a life man.

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You just dug your own hole with your example. Here's why:

I own a bar. For my livelihood I depend on the bar being profitable. Therefore, I depend on my customers. Most profitable bars depend heavily on repeat customers.

Let's say I start giving free drinks to certain repeat customers, each and every visit, each and every drink. Pretty soon, these guys are showing up every night and having a blast. Also pretty soon word gets around that certain customers are favorites.

Probably some people figure that since I sure seem to like them and appreciate their patronage that therefore they should also be included on the list of favorites. I tell them that the A List is for customers that bring a lot of business into my bar. They respond that they're the life of the party, they have good bar jokes and tales, they often bring along friends, those friends become customers, those friends have friends, they spread the word wherever they go, etc., etc.

It's hard to turn a lot of these people down, because they have very good arguments, but I have to say no, otherwise I go out of business.

As time goes on, more and more people become aware of the situation. The outs become very resentful of the ins, and of me. They start wondering "Why aren't I good enough for favorite treatment? What does that A List guy have that I don't?". And eventually they shift their business to some other bar that doesn't make them feel 2nd class.

That's the basic social-economics of operating a customer oriented business where all customers should be of roughly equal value because they all purchase the same commodity.

early325 · #59 08-06-2007, 01:40 AM

That argument doesn't make sense.

If you want to relate the bar-argument to yours against FTP, then you need to assume that the people that are getting free drinks at the bar are also bringing five friends, who are all paying for their drinks.

You don't seem to have a very strong grasp on marketing.

mrjetguy · #60 08-06-2007, 01:49 AM

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Umm they dont take the cash out of the prize pool so why would you care? I personally think that FTP does a better job taking care of players than most sites.

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If the FTP Pros cash in the tournament it's paid for out of the tournament prize pool, that's why I care.

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But they also have contributed their buyin, so I don't see the problem. Sure it makes the field slightly tougher, but the money isn't affected.