Suppose Tipping Poker Dealers Was Illegal

[RacersEdge]

I think the poker rooms would increase the rake equivalent to the lost tip amount. They would like to distrubute the rake in favor of the better dealers than tips distributes money now. But since tips are a combination pay/rating stsytem, the PRs would ahve a hard time ranking the dealers. So good dealers would probably be worse off.

[Twistofsin]

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Dealers should be replaced by e-tables that shuffle properly

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Sorry, I want cards, chips and people.

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You still play against people. Just with a deck that's shuffled properly, and you don't need to tip, either.

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What makes you think people will settle for 1 out of 3?

My casino uses auto shufflers, fwiw.

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Apparently no poker dealers have chimed in. I deal at a locals casino in Vegas and I'll tell you if tipping was illegal say bye-bye to any good dealer. There is no way casinos will pay a good dealer what they make by accepting tips. This isn't higher math. You deal for an hour, usually get a dollar per hand, and the average good dealer gets out about 30-35 hands per hour. I guarantee if tipping was banned you would really see what bad dealing is about. People are talking about dealers making mistakes, everyone does in their job. Maybe in your job you don't have ten people sitting there waiting to correct you for some minor mistake. I think everyone should have ten people standing over them while they work and see how they do day in and day out. Back to the tipping. Every good dealer would stop immedieatly if they were paid an hourly rate by the casino. The only reason there are good dealers is because they are either a player or they like the money they make.

[fatshaft]

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Given that dealer quality improved dramatically when tip pooling was eliminated in AC, I think dealer quality would go down if tipping were eliminated (at least in cash games). This would be the case whether or not they made more or less. There would simply be less incentive to deal quickly.

Tournaments might be different.

[/ QUOTE ]See the UK.

[fatshaft]

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DS, You make a horrible assumption that the rooms/casinos will increase their dealer's pay for compensation. Why would they do that? They "may" raise the base salary (to keep from having a mass revolt), but I would lay 10:1 that it would in no way be near enough to compensate for tips lost. Sure, they may lose a few dealers, but they don't care, and will easily replace them.

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[fatshaft]

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i know i should know this, but what does QFT stand for?

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quoted for truth(iness).

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What does FTW mean then? I'm scared to ask now.

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I posted a similar reply in another thread, but basically why do dealers make so much? It really makes no sense to me. They aren't doing a hard job. They are using a very small portion of their brain to count some chips and throw some cards. As far as i'm concerned if a dealer makes $12-15/hr they should be happy.

[/ QUOTE ]Not hard? These two points alone make it pretty hard.

1. Dealing with the public
2. Working shifts

[NicksDad1970]

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I posted a similar reply in another thread, but basically why do dealers make so much? It really makes no sense to me. They aren't doing a hard job. They are using a very small portion of their brain to count some chips and throw some cards. As far as i'm concerned if a dealer makes $12-15/hr they should be happy.

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If you took money away from good dealers then IMHO those dealers would quit and find something making more money. After all (IMO again) those dealers would be able to find jobs making more because they have the skills to do better. Then you would start to get dealers who aren't as good deal poker.

My example is if a good dealer makes 65k a year and then he/she is told they are going to eliminate tips and get an hourly rate (of what you suggest) of $15 dollars and hour. $600 or approx $480 after taxes a week or $31200 (approx 24960 after taxes) a year. They would eventually figure out a better source of income and quit.

Then you would get people who are willing to deal for less and odds are who don't do as good of a job as the good dealers.

But I do believe you're correct in saying (for the most part) it doesn't take someone with a lot of brains deal cards. I think the tough part of dealing is being professional when people are treating you like a second class person, when you have to remind the same person 40 million times it's their turn to act, or so many other rules.

I'm curious what type work you do for a living? I guess it doesn't matter but what would you do if your bosses decided that you should be happy working for 30% less than your current salary. My guess would be if you have a years worth of salary saved you'd probably quit and find something else to do for a living. If you're like many and live paycheck to paycheck you'd continue working in that job until you found something better, then you'd quit. I doubt your bosses would be able to find someone to do your job at your new low salary who does the job at a very high level.

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would reasonably good dealers who chose to remain dealers make as much or more than they do now?

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It would be about a $12-14/hr job with benefits is my guess.

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Even if it were a $16-18/hr the number of good dealers would decrease. A very good dealer who keeps the game moving (and it tipped well) can deal 40 hands an hour @ dealing 75% utilization which is $30 per hour.

Another question is "what is the optimal pay to that casinos should pay dealers in order to maximize their profit"?

My guess is that casinos wouldn't even do the math nessesary to analyze this question and would just pay the dealers whatever they could get away with. Probably $15 an hour.

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I posted a similar reply in another thread, but basically why do dealers make so much? It really makes no sense to me. They aren't doing a hard job. They are using a very small portion of their brain to count some chips and throw some cards. As far as i'm concerned if a dealer makes $12-15/hr they should be happy.

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I think when they work in an environment where really large amounts of money are being slung around, you'd want their compensation to be high enough that they give a shyte about keeping their jobs. If a guys making say 40 bucks an hour or so, I think he's likely to feel like that's pretty good money. If he's making 12...well how tempting does it become to collude with one of the players somehow?