Just how young (and why) are the top players online? - Page 6

questions · #51 07-20-2007, 10:07 AM

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link the hnad, im curious to see it now.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQukgklLKtI

Poker monkey · #52 07-20-2007, 10:10 AM

Doyle had 33 IIRC. It's a bad call because 33 is a coinflip or a big dog against any hand that doesn't include a 2 or 3, and the call is very -EV vs PA's shoving range. Doyle probably realised his skill edge was small or non-existant and was happy to take a coinflip.

Wowliksom! · #53 07-20-2007, 10:13 AM

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Old people spend most of their time walking to the post office mailing pics of their grandkids to each other. No time for nosebleed hold em.

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Old people are clueless how to use the internets...

Daddy Warbucks · #54 07-20-2007, 10:15 AM

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Here's another example of young people doing dumb things because they haven't faced these situations before and/or enough:

Recently at the Hilton AC, I was in a hand with a relatively old grinder (40ish) and a youngish guy (last 20's?) who seemed to be there just to have a little fun. Young guy has position on grinder. Grinder raises pre-flop, YG calls. Flop is 4d, 4c, 8c. Grinder checks. YG bets pot. Grinder calls. Turn is a blank. Grinder bets pot, YG calls. River is 10c. Grinder bets 1/2 pot. YG calls. G: Ac Kc for ace-high flush. YG: pocket 4's for four of a kind. Sheez. Was that totally dumb or what? Even the grinder was like, "you just left a lot of money on the table there."

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Some awesome logic on display here. Watch as old hag Jennifer Tilly leaves a lot of money on the table using her 50 years of wisdom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN6wAHTWeEA

questions · #55 07-20-2007, 10:16 AM

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Doyle had 33 IIRC. It's a bad call because 33 is a coinflip or a big dog against any hand that doesn't include a 2 or 3, and the call is very -EV vs PA's shoving range. Doyle probably realised his skill edge was small or non-existant and was happy to take a coinflip.

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Well, recognize that this hand has been taken out of context. That is, maybe PA's shove range at this point had broadened? I'm not sure what Brunson was thinking at that point, or how he was reading PA, but you can't deny that in fact, Brunson had the better hand the whole way and PA was just drawing, yet it was PA who'd shoved.

tippy · #56 07-20-2007, 10:33 AM

I can only speak for myself, but I think the two main reasons most of the high rollers are young is TIME and MONEY.

Consider this: Most people my age (39) have a job which requires AT LEAST 8 hours a day, not to mention commute time or the occasional overtime project.

Most people my age have kids. If you guys don't have kids, you can't imagine the time commitment they require. And they aren't on a schedule. You're at the final table, nah, your child doesn't care, he is still throwing spagetti at his sister who is sitting on your white carpet. Try multitabling with that going on.

Most people my age are married. You single guys have no idea how mad women can get if they feel second place behind online poker. A time commitment that rivals children.

And those three time consumers don't even include the trivial ups and downs of everyday life that come along that have to be attended to.

The other limitation us "old" guys have is money. Or more specifically, obligations that require money. Mortgage, food, cars, vacations, college, childcare, retirement saving, taking care of older family members, etc, etc. They say it costs a million dollars to raise a child, I disagree. They way underestimated. Have a couple.

I don't think older people are scared to risk the money, they are just mature enough to know better. If I didn't have the obligations, I'd have no problem plunking down 10k for the Main Event. Unfortunately, that 10 k is a semester of college. And yes, the money would affect my play, as I'm sure it does for those guys who overextend themselves and play with money they can't afford to lose.

As for "old" people not being as smart or quick, I disagree completely. Maybe "focus" is a better term. I think the younger guys are probably more focused. They just don't have anything else to think about. No wife, no job, no kids, no bills, etc. It was a great time in life, enjoy it and play all the poker you can before life comes calling.

Right now poker is the center of these young guys' universe. I guarantee that once alot of these young guns grow up, get married, have kids, they will relegate poker to a mere hobby.

Wowliksom! · #57 07-20-2007, 10:40 AM

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link the hnad, im curious to see it now.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQukgklLKtI

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Wow, thats a terrible call by Doyle.

A few other notes on the differicies beteween young and old people.

1. You probably have to be a somewhat of a degen to reach the higher levels since you have to play a lot to accumulate money if you don't get lucky in a donkament. This basically rules out older people since they have full time jobs and families.

2. It's ridiculous to say that older guys get slower in their 30-ies.

3. A big factor is the computer literacy and the young kids growing up with computer games and stuff. They are obv much better at multitasking than older guys.

BTW I am 40 and I am pretty decent with computers but my limit is 4-tabling where I sometimes struggle. 3 tables are no problem but I am nowhere nere the 8-10 tabling wizards and never will be. I am also not that of a degen to put in the hours to reach the nose bleed stakes and I have of course not the time since I have a pretty demanding day job.

Cactus Jack · #58 07-20-2007, 10:51 AM

I hope you kids save this thread. One day it will make you laugh, too. You're reinforcing the tradition that young guys have no clue about much of anything other than what it's like to be a young guy. As for being older...clueless.

About "old people" being clueless about computers and the "internets"? Who do you think invented them? Uh, someone who's now in his late 50s and 60s and older. Duh.

too funny

questions · #59 07-20-2007, 10:53 AM

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Wow, thats a terrible call by Doyle.

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I must be a terrible player then, because it seems to me that: 1) PA made a terrible bet; and 2) Doyle made a terrific, if risky call.

By way of illustration, there's another clip of Doyle playing Chip Reese. Doyle has queens, and raises pre-flop, reese calls. Flop is rags. Doyle bets pot, Reese raises. Doyle thinks. And folds. How many people would fold there?

quirkasaurus · #60 07-20-2007, 10:54 AM

I think there's enough solid reasons chronicled here.

With regard to Doyle vs PA 33 vs A2 hand:
remember: DOYLE IS A GAMBLER!!

( most of his poker winnings have paid for
his sports betting addiction )

Love his remark after the hand:

PA: How do you call that bet with that hand ?
DB: How do you make that bet ?? We're playing poker; not solitaire!