A possible sittuation to fold aa pf

[mce86]

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Lets say your in a multi tourny and 10 left. Now your playing hand for hand and you are 10th in chips. If your like me when in tournys you have both tables open. You notice your aa and notice that someone on the other table is all in and called and has lost. Do you fold aa pf just to get that extra kick in prize call and risk getting sucked out since your gong to be called because lets say you only have 2bb. Any thoughts.

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I only fold if I see him pulling out a glock becuase he just got a bad beat put on him. Otherwise, im in it to double up!

[drzen]

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one of the problems here is that people keep talking about ev when they really mean expected utility. it's obviously going to be +ev to get it in pf w/aces; whether the expected utility is > 0 is a different story.

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No, the people who suck are talking about expected utility. Frankly, the reason they suck is that they do not correctly weight the big stack winning brings you.

[davoarid]

I have foled aces preflop one time in my life, and still believe with complete certainty I made the correct move.

There were four people left in a tournament. ~70 people entered, so the difference between fourth and third was pretty steeped. I was very short-stacked (I was last at the table) when the two leaders both went all-in heads up. After that, the loser of that hand had even fewer chips than me; in fact, he couldn't even post the complete Big Blind (which he had on the very next hand).

On that hand--(I'm guessing with numbers, but let's say blinds are $1000-2000; I have $3,5000 and the fourth place guy has $700)--I was dealt pocket aces. I folded, and the BB got busted out of the tournament. It was a $50 entry fee, and the move up to third place (from fourth) made me an extra ~$150.

I can't think of any reason why I would have played aces there. Can you?

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

That sounds like one of those rare cases where, while calling would be clearly +CEV, folding may well be +$EV.

[johnnyrocket]

fold AA preflop in satellites if another big stack pushes and you are a big stack also and its right at the bubble, this is the time

[Artsemis]

In this example, if you have 2bb you should already be out unless you lost an all-in on the previous hand. If that is the case, I fold here as it is guaranteed pay increase and I'm not going to move up over 9th place no matter what I do the majority of the time.

[Sp00n]

Final Table, you have 5BB, everyone else has exactly 100BB. You are in the big blind with AA, everyone goes all in infront of you. The payout structure is your typical PokerStars special(first gets nearly everything, 9th gets pittance). I grudgingly fold my AA here.

[NateDog11]

oh yea heres a thought.......u shouldnt ahve two bb. if u let your stack get widdled down to 2 bb from the blinds you missed many opportunities to push ur stack in. if you have 5-7 bb u should be pushing on any two if there isnt a raise and you have decent position or there are few opponents in the hand.

[kassdog]

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oh yea heres a thought.......u shouldnt ahve two bb. if u let your stack get widdled down to 2 bb from the blinds you missed many opportunities to push ur stack in. if you have 5-7 bb u should be pushing on any two if there isnt a raise and you have decent position or there are few opponents in the hand.

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What if the hand before you got stacked with your aa losing to kk and you only had him covered by 5bb.

[kassdog]

So I haven't checked out this in a little while and can now say from everyone's comments that folding aa pf is acceptable in only the rarest of tourny/sat situations.