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#1
06-28-2007, 10:34 PM
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Awkward hand means awkward river
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Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.25. MP2 posts a blind of $0.25. UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 (poster) checks, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero checks. Flop: (6.40 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds. Turn: (5.70 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls. River: (10.70 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> Hero ????? CO may be betting anything. He is erratic, he is 56/0/.75 after 39 hands and his passive post flop stat doesn't mean he is betting a legitimate hand. He will usually bet if checked to. The other players were new at the table. No read. No stats at the time of the hand. What do I do with this river? Bet it and fold to a raise? Check it and c/r if CO bets when checked to? Or check call it? Or do I bet/call? I think I have a better hand than CO does but I'm afraid of the passive players, one of whom may have hit a better flush. What do you do? 
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#5
06-28-2007, 11:43 PM
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Re: Awkward hand means awkward river
lol @ looking to fold
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#6
06-29-2007, 03:50 PM
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Re: Awkward hand means awkward river
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lol @ looking to fold [/ QUOTE ] Calling a raise and a reraise is a huge leak imo. Hell I'm sick about it all against just a single raise. Flush over flush (using both cards) is quite common. About 24% of the time if all suited hands see the flop. And people love suited hands at these limits so I wouldn't expect the number to be too much lower.
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#7
06-29-2007, 12:13 AM
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Re: Awkward hand means awkward river
I would check.
If you donk-bet here you run the risk that the only caller you`ll get will be a (higher) flush. Some pairs or two pairs KT or T9 might call you. But you give them the extra chance to fold the made hand. By checking you give them a chance to bet a hand despite the flush-danger on board. My experience is that in micro-limits players are tempting to bet this hands here especially in LP but they rather fold if you bet first. So if someone has a hand you have a good chance to check-raise, which i wouldn`t recomend here especially if the bet doesn´t come from the CO (or CO-1). With 4 other players you might run into a higher flush. If no one has a hand you lose nothing by checking. So my estimation is you make more profit here by checking the flush.
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#8
06-29-2007, 12:17 AM
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Re: Awkward hand means awkward river
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I would check. If you donk-bet here you run the risk that the only caller you`ll get will be a (higher) flush. Some pairs or two pairs KT or T9 might call you. But you give them the extra chance to fold the made hand. By checking you give them a chance to bet a hand despite the flush-danger on board. My experience is that in micro-limits players are tempting to bet this hands here especially in LP but they rather fold if you bet first. So if someone has a hand you have a good chance to check-raise, which i wouldn`t recomend here especially if the bet doesn´t come from the CO (or CO-1). With 4 other players you might run into a higher flush. If no one has a hand you lose nothing by checking. So my estimation is you make more profit here by checking the flush. [/ QUOTE ] no one is folding two pair. people hardly ever fold top pair. lol at checking b/c "no one will call". you ever play poker before dude?
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#10
06-29-2007, 04:17 PM
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Re: Awkward hand means awkward river
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Anyone betting the flop for value here? [/ QUOTE ] no way, the likelihood of an EP raise is too high which would cut down on our odds. it also is a bad thing if an EP raise would drive out a gutshot that hits while we make our flush. e.g. a great card might be the Js.
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