NL Bots on Full Tilt

[ktulu22]

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situation is that bots are, and proly always have been, a part of online poker and there is little we can do about.

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Wrong, we can keep floating them and raising their c-bets.

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That works only if you know you are playing a bot. The with bots isn't so much that they are going to be taking your money directly, it's that they are going to be taking the fish money that should be going to you.

[roblin]

this thread is missing something... hmmm?!

THE SKY IS FALLING!

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Beating the bot isn't a problem, or shouldn't be for any of us. I've played against some of the mentioned accounts and found them to be highly exploitable.

The problem is what will happen when the FTP fish find out that FTP allows bots to play on thier site? They will go to Stars, that's what. And I will follow them...

[viper930]

All,

I have personally played with 3 of these guys a ton when I was 12 tabling 200NL FR on FTP a while ago and despite what the OP may treat as "conclusive evidence" these are not bots lol. As for 1forthethumb and mariojr, I've not only played with both of them but have talked to both of them. Unless they're some really elaborate bots capable of making competent table talk aside from playing winning deepstacked NLHE, then your grossly mistaken assumptions could have just cost a couple of ssnl grinders a month or more of frozen account troubles.

[MicroBob]

go back and read again (yeah, I know it's really freaking long, but it's a good read).

Pretty obvious that the owner of the bots takes over play for them sometimes.
Trebek addresses this angle extremely well.

[jige]

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All,

I have personally played with 3 of these guys a ton when I was 12 tabling 200NL FR on FTP a while ago and despite what the OP may treat as "conclusive evidence" these are not bots lol. As for 1forthethumb and mariojr, I've not only played with both of them but have talked to both of them. Unless they're some really elaborate bots capable of making competent table talk aside from playing winning deepstacked NLHE, then your grossly mistaken assumptions could have just cost a couple of ssnl grinders a month or more of frozen account troubles.

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didnt you read the whole thread? OP says that sometimes the bot owner plays HIMSELF!

[cardcounter0]

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All,

I have personally played with 3 of these guys a ton when I was 12 tabling 200NL FR on FTP a while ago and despite what the OP may treat as "conclusive evidence" these are not bots lol. As for 1forthethumb and mariojr, I've not only played with both of them but have talked to both of them. Unless they're some really elaborate bots capable of making competent table talk aside from playing winning deepstacked NLHE, then your grossly mistaken assumptions could have just cost a couple of ssnl grinders a month or more of frozen account troubles.

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didnt you read the whole thread? OP says that sometimes the bot owner plays HIMSELF!

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Ya, while the bot is playing, it would be impossible for the owner to sometimes type some stuff in the chat box. Case Closed.

[raistlinx]

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With all the information from extensive data mining, somebody who is an expert in statistical testing would be able to determine the likelihood they are bots of the same type.

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Well, I've taken an intro level Stats class and the likelyhood is very close to 1.

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Math please.

[viper930]

1. The stats level out to extremely close numbers because those numbers are EXTREMELY typical of the tag setminers that infest the 200nl full ring games. The fact that the OP has stats filtered to an integer adds to this effect.

2. I did read the whole thread, and I have played with one or more of these players for extended periods on the same table. I'll try to find chat logs where more than 2 of them are talking but not sure how I'd go about doing that.

3. When there are tons of tables to play it's natural to avoid other regs. Anyone with half a brain does this. If you want me to find some HH's with more than one of these "bots" sitting together I'm sure I could manage to do so.

4. Is it not also a huge coincidence that the bot owner returns just as the OP has been utilizing the same tactics to win pots over and over? What does this sound like? Hmm, maybe a player who gives you credit for a few times and then gets sick of it and plays back at you?

I'm not sure if this is one gigantic leveling fest (which would be amazing) but this seems ridiculously silly. Whatever, put your tin hats back on I guess.

[BlueBear]

viper 930:
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1. The stats level out to extremely close numbers because those numbers are EXTREMELY typical of the tag setminers that infest the 200nl full ring games. The fact that the OP has stats filtered to an integer adds to this effect.

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Somebody needs to compare known set-mining 10/5s players to determine if they indeed do have similar stats in all areas (with a measure of statistical certainty).