More guns the way to go? Some thoughs.

[LBK]

It boils down to a very simple view:

If there were no guns, accidental deaths would be much lower. Violent crimes would be much lower. Guns make it easier to resort to violence when all you have to do is pull a trigger. Why is this so hard to understand?

[pvn]

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Also, if you make guns illegal, the supply of guns will drop dramatically, regardless of the demand.

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Yeah. The supply of pot has dropped dramatically.

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Who is going to make new guns if their manufacturer and importation is illegal? It's not like the average criminal can create a handgun (or even a bullet) in his basement.

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People make *knives* and *wine* in *prison*.

The average criminal doesn't need to make his own guns, there will be someone making them.

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Obviously, there will be existing guns floating around for a few decades, but I think most gun control advocates acknowledge that they really forsee a gun-free society 50-years down the road, and not 5-years.

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lol. yep, nobody will ever figure out how to make a gun. Just uninvent them!

[rubbrband]

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It boils down to a very simple view:

If there were no guns, accidental deaths would be much lower. Violent crimes would be much lower. Guns make it easier to resort to violence when all you have to do is pull a trigger. Why is this so hard to understand?

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The problem is there is more to it than that.

[bluesbassman]

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The result is that people doesn't get killed in stealing/robbing related cases. And if the criminal does have a gun? Well, then he doesn't feel the pressure of using it, cause nobody else is a treat. I think this is a good thing. Yes, so a criminal might get more easily away. But isn't that a better outcome than either the criminal and/or the victim getting killed because both were armed? Or someone getting killed by the police while stealing a handbag?


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I would consider a potential victim or police killing a robber trying to steal a handbag to be a better outcome than the robber getting away (with or without the handbag). I simply can't comprehend the passive, victim mindset I seem to observe in many Europeans.

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I can understand many peoples argument about being able do "defend themself", and therfore having guns. But the thing is, if guns are illegal, you don't have to.


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I had an elderly great-aunt who lived alone. A young thug broke into her home while she was there. She retreated to her bedroom, figuring she'd let the criminal take what he wanted. She tried to call the cops, but he had cut the phone lines from the outside (this was long before cell phones were common). The thug started to break into her bedroom, so my great-aunt fetched her pistol, and shot through the door. The bad guy fled, and was later (I believe) apprehended. Yes, this is a true story.

So... please tell me how this elderly woman would have been better off without that gun, and what she should have done when the young thug got to her in her bedroom. Please be specific. The criminal apparently didn't have a gun, so she didn't need one either... right?

[pvn]

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So people getting killed from firearms is nothing to worry about, as long as it happens less than people tripping down the stairs? Now that's a good argument. I guess we should just let people kill eachother then, since dying in traffic is more common.

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There it is again! "Since we are not specifically prohibiting you from having item X, we are *encouraging* you to use item X to hurt other people."

[pvn]

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It boils down to a very simple view:

If there were no guns, accidental deaths would be much lower. Violent crimes would be much lower. Guns make it easier to resort to violence when all you have to do is pull a trigger. Why is this so hard to understand?

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Uninvention FTW!

while we're at it:

[Borodog]

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It boils down to a very simple view:

If everyone had a magic unicorn, we could all slide down rainbows and snort pixie dust and live in peace and harmony. Why is this so hard to understand?

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MY UNICORN TOO SLOW

[rubbrband]

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Also, if you make guns illegal, the supply of guns will drop dramatically, regardless of the demand. Who is going to make new guns if their manufacturer and importation is illegal? It's not like the average criminal can create a handgun (or even a bullet) in his basement. Obviously, there will be existing guns floating around for a few decades, but I think most gun control advocates acknowledge that they really forsee a gun-free society 50-years down the road, and not 5-years.

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Criminals already make home made guns.

[Borodog]

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Also, if you make guns illegal, the supply of guns will drop dramatically, regardless of the demand. Who is going to make new guns if their manufacturer and importation is illegal? It's not like the average criminal can create a handgun (or even a bullet) in his basement. Obviously, there will be existing guns floating around for a few decades, but I think most gun control advocates acknowledge that they really forsee a gun-free society 50-years down the road, and not 5-years.

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This is the funniest thing I have read all day.

You do realize that there is zero cocaine or heroin manufactured in the US, right? That it's been illegal for the better part of a century, right? Why don't we have a "drug free society" yet? That the supply of cocaine and heroin is higher than it's ever been right? That even if you could magically stop them, people just cook up things like crystal meth, right? People make guns by hand all the time. I could make one in my shed. I've seen the plans for making a fully automatic sub-machinegun. What are you going to ban next, machine shops?

Totally ridiculous.

[LBK]

Well, we should at the very leat make it tougher for people to purchase firearms. We do know that Cho purchased his firearms. Sure, he could have found them on the black market, but we need to make it tougher to buy them legally first. There is no reason at all why a 23 year old student would need a Glock. A hunting rifle? Sure. A glock? Why?