The Grandma dilemma: Debunking the myths - Page 6

rockin · #51 02-14-2006, 02:05 PM

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i don't know why because of one article written, everyone assumes that if you play 2 accounts that one you would play LAG and the other TAG. This doesn't make sense. Why not play the style you are best at (most comftorable or experienced playing) for both accounts? I don't follow what benefit you would gain from confusing the crap out of yourself by playing 2 different styles on 2 different accounts, especially if you are better at 1 style than the other.

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Think Tiger Woods getting four shots off the tee. He can swing away looking for that 320-yard monster drive and not worry about a snap-hook out of bounds, knowing that his other "account" will safely put it 280-yards down the middle of the fairway.

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You're wrong. The difference is that in poker you are charged for each tee shot.

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Sorry, the analogy holds. How much do you think Tiger Woods would win every year if he got 4 tee shots while everyone else got one? As much as he wins now, it would be a lot more.

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the difference also is that you cannot excel at both styles of play. where does your best chance lie? why would you play a style that does not give you the best chance of winning, when you could play the style that gives you the best chance of winning TWICE.

in your Tiger analogy wouldn't it make more sense that if his long game is his strength and he has MULTIPLE chances to land one, that he would try and the odds would be in his favor to succeed at his strength given several opportunities.

in addition to all that Tiger is not teeing off with both his right and left hands at the same time. This would be a little confusing, no? pedal to the medal on one monitor and slow and low on the other.

Clayton · #52 02-14-2006, 02:21 PM

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David,

By my own math in the Party 500k the odds of cheating or getting another grandma in your tournament is approximately 1 in 81.5 tournaments, or once every 19 months. This is assuming a constant tournament field size of 3500. Should the field size increase then the likelyhood could jump up to 90 or higher.

The odds of this happening increases when you throw in the Bodog 100k, the Stars big tournies, etc.

If my math is wrong, someone please correct it. I am about to sleep.

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Would anyone care to proof this? David?

Alexisonfyre · #53 02-14-2006, 02:27 PM

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One ticket to what?

You don't know what you are talking about. Most ISP's NAT their user space so the source IP address does not uniquely distinguish a user, only an ISP: which in most cases is a University.

[/ QUOTE ]I know some people who collude, they use the university's Internet access with their laptops and can play the same SNGs next to each other.

McMelchior · #54 02-14-2006, 03:15 PM

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One ticket per IP isnt the whole answer but it can go a way to helping stamp out this disease. Yes I know you can get more Ips at the same address but it will make it harder for the "casual" multiaccounter.

[/ QUOTE ]This is not a solution to any extent.

In my apartment (in New York City) at any time I can choose to connect to the internet from between 3 and 5 unsecured wireless networks - in addition to my own ISP.

Disclaimer: I have one (1) poker account per site.

Apart from advanced hand-analyzing software there's one - and only one - solution to this problem:

Once and for all establish in the poker community that applying more than one account is exactly the same as playing with marked cards or with stacked decks or colluding in live events: It's cheating, and it's a crime.

Realize that reporting known or suspected multi-account cheaters to the relevant poker site managements is not "snitching", but a necessary way to protect the integrity of the game - and the continuing influx of new players and funds.

Realize that anyone who doesn't report known or suspected cheaters to the poker sites - whether you personally benefit from the cheating or not - are accessories to cheating, and contributors to the eventual demise of profitable online poker.

Best,

McMelchior (Johan)

Max Weinberg · #55 02-14-2006, 03:16 PM

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The benefit comes from being able to play ABC on one account, and go balls-out crazy on another, rolling the dice for a big stack or bust.

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If he does this then he's winning less money than he would just playing one account in the tournament.

Sweet benifit.

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I meant more like taking as many coinflips and marginal situations as he can and try to ride the variance.

Art Vandelay · #56 02-14-2006, 03:19 PM

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i don't know why because of one article written, everyone assumes that if you play 2 accounts that one you would play LAG and the other TAG. This doesn't make sense. Why not play the style you are best at (most comftorable or experienced playing) for both accounts? I don't follow what benefit you would gain from confusing the crap out of yourself by playing 2 different styles on 2 different accounts, especially if you are better at 1 style than the other.

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Think Tiger Woods getting four shots off the tee. He can swing away looking for that 320-yard monster drive and not worry about a snap-hook out of bounds, knowing that his other "account" will safely put it 280-yards down the middle of the fairway.

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You're wrong. The difference is that in poker you are charged for each tee shot.

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Sorry, the analogy holds. How much do you think Tiger Woods would win every year if he got 4 tee shots while everyone else got one? As much as he wins now, it would be a lot more.

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This analogy is not accurate. Tiger teeing off four times on each hole would be analagous to getting dealt the EXACT same hand four separate times and getting four shots at each, then picking the best option. In this case obvioulsy LAG and then TAG would have an advantage, but as described it does not apply.

This is more analagous to Tiger getting to play multiple rounds on the course while everyone else plays one. It's not like a scramble in golf.

locutus2002 · #57 02-14-2006, 03:29 PM

You will never be able to solve an application layer problem through IP addressing (layer 3).

LearnedfromTV · #58 02-14-2006, 03:32 PM

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This is more analagous to Tiger getting to play multiple rounds on the course while everyone else plays one. It's not like a scramble in golf.

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Yes. And the point is that this would exactly double his chance of winning, provided he plays his best game in both rounds. Varying his style doesn't help his EV. A winning player does increase his EV by playing two accounts, but only to the same degree he would increase his EV by playing in a separate (identical) tourney. Two entries this week, 0 next is equivalent to one each week.

FakeKramer · #59 02-14-2006, 03:47 PM

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Two entries this week, 0 next is equivalent to one each week.

[/ QUOTE ]This is wrong. The fact that he is competing against himself in one week and flat-out not playing it the next means he can't win the tournament both weeks.

LearnedfromTV · #60 02-14-2006, 03:50 PM

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Two entries this week, 0 next is equivalent to one each week.

[/ QUOTE ]This is wrong. The fact that he is competing against himself in one week and flat-out not playing it the next means he can't win the tournament both weeks.

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Good point. EV slightly lower in the two-entry case, interestingly. So slightly that it doesn't matter, and of course playing as many as possible is till good for a winning player (absent ethics concerns).