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#51
12-01-2006, 01:52 PM
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Re: Lets come up with a test of basic fitness.
I honestly think the PST requirements for BUD/S is a pretty good basic fitness test (depending on your defition of fitness):
500-yard swim using breast and/or sidestroke in less than 12 minutes and 30 seconds 10-minute rest Perform a minimum of 42 push-ups in 2 minutes 2-minute rest Perform a minimum of 50 sit-ups in 2 minutes 2-minute rest Perform a minimum of 6 pull-ups (no time limit) 10-minute rest Run 1 ½ miles wearing RUNNING SHOES and SHORTS in under 11 minutes wow ... i just noticed that they changed the running requirement to running shoes and shorts! sweet! But anyways, this is just the BARE minimum to make it into BUD/S ... so I think its a good indicator of what basic fitness is. P.S. Crossfit is sweet, and i love it. 
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#52
12-01-2006, 01:52 PM
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Re: Lets come up with a test of basic fitness.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There should be a speed component, like 100m in under a certain time. [/ QUOTE ]Except that speed and fitness have nothing to do with one another. The Marine Corps Physical Fitness Test is a good one. Dead-hang pullups (hands either way, can switch midway so long as you don't dismount the bar), crunches (2 minutes), and a 3-mile run. A 300 (perfect score) requires 20 pullups, 100 crunches, and an 18 minute run. Obviously anyone who scores a 300 is in excellent shape, not just ok, average-adult-guy shape. Generally a 225 ("1st class") is considered "passing," though that's very much below average in the Marine Corps. Scoring works like this: *5 points per pullup *1 point per crunch *-1 point for every ten seconds over 18:00 on run So, for example, if I do 13 pullups, 85 crunches, and run a 22:00, that's (65) + (85) + (76) = 226. [/ QUOTE ] Jeebus, running 3 miles in 18 minutes sounds almost impossible. Seriously, you would have to be in peak physical condition to do that. [/ QUOTE ] Thats why the absolute most points you can get is based on running 3 miles in 18 minutes.
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#53
12-01-2006, 02:02 PM
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Re: Lets come up with a test of basic fitness.
i feel like i need to say a word about pullups ... if you cant do pullups, you can not (in any sense of the word) consider yourself to be physically fit. Pullups (and pushups) are one of the most BASIC movements of the human body ... and unless you can pull up your own body weight, how can you call yourselves fit?
Sure, pullups are easier for people who are weigh less, but so is almost every other element of physical fitness (running, pushups, etc). If you cant do a pullup, get off your butt, stop bench pressing every other day, and start doing pullups (assisted if need be).
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#54
12-01-2006, 02:16 PM
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Re: Lets come up with a test of basic fitness.
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http://cfsd.typepad.com/Athletic_Skill_Standards.pdf [/ QUOTE ] The running times seem really slow compared to the rowing scores. A 64 second 400m dash wont win a respectable JV heat anywhere, but the 6k rowing times (21:45 was the one that stuck out to me) are good enough to go D1 if you're a lightweight.
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#55
12-01-2006, 02:18 PM
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Re: Lets come up with a test of basic fitness.
Pullups and pushups are remarkably more difficult for females.
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#56
12-01-2006, 02:22 PM
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Re: Lets come up with a test of basic fitness.
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Are pullups really that hard for people? I haven't really worked out in a year, but I'm sure I could do 10 no problem. [/ QUOTE ] it depends how much you weigh. In those presidential fitness test or whatever we did in school all of the really skinny kids did the most pull ups. In padre over sb the army had a pull up thing set up where if you got 20 you got a free shirt or something and almost no one even came close. If you havent worked out in a year I would almost guarantee you couldnt do 10 correctly
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#57
12-01-2006, 02:23 PM
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Re: Lets come up with a test of basic fitness.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There should be a speed component, like 100m in under a certain time. [/ QUOTE ]Except that speed and fitness have nothing to do with one another. The Marine Corps Physical Fitness Test is a good one. Dead-hang pullups (hands either way, can switch midway so long as you don't dismount the bar), crunches (2 minutes), and a 3-mile run. A 300 (perfect score) requires 20 pullups, 100 crunches, and an 18 minute run. Obviously anyone who scores a 300 is in excellent shape, not just ok, average-adult-guy shape. Generally a 225 ("1st class") is considered "passing," though that's very much below average in the Marine Corps. Scoring works like this: *5 points per pullup *1 point per crunch *-1 point for every ten seconds over 18:00 on run So, for example, if I do 13 pullups, 85 crunches, and run a 22:00, that's (65) + (85) + (76) = 226. [/ QUOTE ] Jeebus, running 3 miles in 18 minutes sounds almost impossible. Seriously, you would have to be in peak physical condition to do that. [/ QUOTE ]You would be shocked by the number of people who, training to this test, are able to score over a 285. In my experience, the vast majority of officers are running sub-20 3-miles and doing 17 or more pullups. In fact, I would suggest that >50% of Marine junior officers are 20/100/<22 min guys, and perhaps 20% of them are running 300s. And to be fair, I did say that this would qualify you as essentially a fitness badass. I'm not saying that your average Joe should or can run three miles in 18 minutes, but you'd be surprised at the number of people who can meet these standards when consisten effort is applied.
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#58
12-01-2006, 02:24 PM
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Re: Lets come up with a test of basic fitness.
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Pullups and pushups are remarkably more difficult for females. [/ QUOTE ] So are lifting very heavy things. Doesn't mean that its impossible. There are non-behemoths who can pull 2.5x their bodyweight. Which is probably more than 90% of the guys on this forum who consider themselves atleast fairly strong.
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#59
12-01-2006, 02:26 PM
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Re: Lets come up with a test of basic fitness.
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[ QUOTE ] Are pullups really that hard for people? I haven't really worked out in a year, but I'm sure I could do 10 no problem. [/ QUOTE ] it depends how much you weigh. In those presidential fitness test or whatever we did in school all of the really skinny kids did the most pull ups. In padre over sb the army had a pull up thing set up where if you got 20 you got a free shirt or something and almost no one even came close. If you havent worked out in a year I would almost guarantee you couldnt do 10 correctly [/ QUOTE ]On this: NO ONE -- and I mean 0% of people, tall, short, skinny, fat, whatever -- can jump up on a pullup bar and do 20 correct pullups without being involved in some sort of fitness regimen, whether that's weights, body-weight exercises, or rassling cattle. People don't get up off their couch after 20 years and knock out significant numbers of pullups based on body type alone, but isn't this sort of the point?
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