$20/$40 hand

[tpir]

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additionally. the fact that someone in mid stakes gives advice like this and wins and how bad ive been running this month make me borderline suicidal.

rj

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rj,

then maybe you should follow up on your borderline ambitions so that your close-minded opinions can go with you.

there's no case for folding pre? think about ALL the factors for calling/raising and folding... and if you still think there's no case for folding pre.. then maybe you should evaluate why you're "running so bad".

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I am glad you finally got outed.

Usually your self-aggrandizing, results-oriented instructional essays are tacked on to what smart people have already said and simply come off as annoying. Here, you went out on a weird limb and have finally been exposed as utterly laughable and probably one of the worst posters on 2+2 due to a combination of: your preachy tone, horrible advice and obstinate positions.

If you don't want to listen to what everyone is telling you regarding one of the most obvious plays in the history of poker, that's fine. But please take this garbage over to your blog and stop tarding up worthwhile threads.

Set sail,
tpir

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Sorry wasnt Bill king player 500/1000 with newhizzle the other week? I just cant see how somebody who plays that high can get n easy preflop situation so wrong. (or do i have the wrong guy)

And as for misplaying the hand postflop, i thought OP played it almost perfectly.

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Sorry wasnt Bill king player 500/1000 with newhizzle the other week?

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just because people play big doesn't mean that they play well. there is a reason those games go.

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Sorry wasnt Bill king player 500/1000 with newhizzle the other week?

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just because people play big doesn't mean that they play well. there is a reason those games go.

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Oh i realise this, i just wanted to make sure it was the same person

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Sorry wasnt Bill king player 500/1000 with newhizzle the other week?

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just because people play big doesn't mean that they play well. there is a reason those games go.

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Oh i realise this, i just wanted to make sure it was the same person

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ok. not sure if it was him in the bigger games. for his sake, i hope it wasn't.

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im dissapointed he's stopped insulting me since everyone decided he was wrong. it was a noble path, why discontinue the journey?

rj

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additionally. the fact that someone in mid stakes gives advice like this and wins and how bad ive been running this month make me borderline suicidal.

rj

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rj,

then maybe you should follow up on your borderline ambitions so that your close-minded opinions can go with you.

there's no case for folding pre? think about ALL the factors for calling/raising and folding... and if you still think there's no case for folding pre.. then maybe you should evaluate why you're "running so bad".

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the ONLY case for folding preflop in this spot is if the player was simply a big retard and would call down with 8-high. but if this was the case, the player shouldnt be in the game in the first place.

[Bill King]

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ok here's my case.


when you clearly dont know how to value bet in slim spots like you're gonna get in hands like this, then you fold. if you're able to play them and not lose more than you should with these type of hands, then you can play them. but clearly OP is having trouble knowing when to raise, fold, and call in spots where it's not so ABC clear.

these type of speculative hands can make money if you play them well, but they also get you in spots where you lose a lot with them as well if you're not careful. think about how many times you end up paying off, or even worse, raising! in spots like this when if you had folded pre, ther would be no issue.

playing hands like this in multi-way pots is a great tool in switching it up, playing big drawing pots.. but you lose more than you win when you make spewy river raises in spots when you're clearly beat. these hands do not have a lot of value, and when you dont play them correctly, theyre a losing hand in the long term.

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my god.

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bob.. you clearly know i'm not holding my advice as my own material/guidelines.. but someone who will raise this river into two opponents when you get 3-bet AND call? give me a break.. thats the point of my argument.. i think you can play this hand.. dont get me wrong.. but when i read this post this guy clearly doesnt have very well hand reading skills and should fold hands like this if he cant decide when to make rive raises into multi-opponents.. am i wrong?

i could care less about the results.. i didnt even read them before i replied, like i always do.. i just think that playing these type of hands, in correlation to a simple mistake that OP made, should show all the ppl who responded that he clearly isnt ready to play these type of hands..


bob, you clearly know how to play this type of hand and when to and not to raise this river, and a many others do.. but i am responding to THIS EXACT POSTER, dont be confused by me saying to fold it preflop, as correlating to everybody who reads this.. its my response to someone who seems uncomfortable in his decisions post-flop with threatening spots.

[Bill King]

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additionally. the fact that someone in mid stakes gives advice like this and wins and how bad ive been running this month make me borderline suicidal.

rj

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rj,

then maybe you should follow up on your borderline ambitions so that your close-minded opinions can go with you.

there's no case for folding pre? think about ALL the factors for calling/raising and folding... and if you still think there's no case for folding pre.. then maybe you should evaluate why you're "running so bad".

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the ONLY case for folding preflop in this spot is if the player was simply a big retard and would call down with 8-high. but if this was the case, the player shouldnt be in the game in the first place.

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calling down w/ 8 high and raising this river when the villains are clearly drawing to something is pretty retarded IMO, and if you cant play these hands well, theres no reason to play them, because their equity is slim when you play them well anyway! thats my point!

i'd rather play straightforward than have huge leaks/spews in my game like this.. huge mistakes like mis-playing marginal hands are what separates big winners from small winners

[Bill King]

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additionally. the fact that someone in mid stakes gives advice like this and wins and how bad ive been running this month make me borderline suicidal.

rj

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rj,

then maybe you should follow up on your borderline ambitions so that your close-minded opinions can go with you.

there's no case for folding pre? think about ALL the factors for calling/raising and folding... and if you still think there's no case for folding pre.. then maybe you should evaluate why you're "running so bad".

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I am glad you finally got outed.

Usually your self-aggrandizing, results-oriented instructional essays are tacked on to what smart people have already said and simply come off as annoying. Here, you went out on a weird limb and have finally been exposed as utterly laughable and probably one of the worst posters on 2+2 due to a combination of: your preachy tone, horrible advice and obstinate positions.

If you don't want to listen to what everyone is telling you regarding one of the most obvious plays in the history of poker, that's fine. But please take this garbage over to your blog and stop tarding up worthwhile threads.

Set sail,
tpir

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tpir.. mind you i was bustin you a little... i became aware this was a usual thing on 2p2, so now i'm exercising my right to give it back.

on another note, i dont intend to come off as a jerk. just some come off as very directly correct, when if there was no outside of the box information, this forum, nevermind people who win and you cant explain why, exist.

where were you on the forum when NW cold-called w/ AK? or is that because he's NW, a known online guy who can be tracked and watche by everybody who decides to sweat the big online limit games. i dont request your sarcasm, i request your responses, and with your responses comes realizing the statement that you are responding to and adhering to it, not bashing me for being a retard.

what you guys dont realize, is that i could care less what you all think on here. unfortunately for a lot of you, your 2p2 image and responses are more important than the information that you actually gather from your replies. i am here to not only learn what my information registers in others minds, but their initial thoughts to what I think, which unfortunately, isnt' always the case b/c 90% of people on here just reply to what some players already write.

i respect a lot of players on here, i am not here to disrespect anybody, but my advice is not because i dont realize basic theory and poker knowledge, its to open up the small-minded (at times) advice given here.

YES!! sometimes i'm wrong.. you wont hear a lot of ppl say that on here.. but i admit it. but you know how i've improved from some of the idiot things ive said on here? by responding, taking crap from you guys, and learning. by disrespecting me directly, is a direct reflection of who you are as people, and not poker players.


enjoy my future posts.

-Bill