Potential NL forum split: Speak up

[xwillience]

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I think it's a bad idea.

SSNL is all about learning the basics of NL and hand reading, rather than the absolute levels of the blinds. Maybe the range we put villains on changes somewhat as we move up the levels, but also it does depending on whether villain is solid, wild, a fish etc., so whilst the analysis might change a bit, the nature of the questions and thought processes within the SSNL forum are similar across the majority of the questions- what does he have, how do i best play against that?

Contrast that with MSNL where this is more of a given, and the analysis seems to be more about when and where to make moves, good times for bluffing etc. I don't see that a split in SSNL would really give rise to 2 forums with different content, so I don't see the need.

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Here's a MSNLer's (and sometimes SSNLer) point of view regarding your post:

If your idea could somehow be a reality, and the posts be separated by the level of complicated nature of the hands, nobody would be considering this split. However, in MSNL, there's a huge influx of 200NL posts that are very standard and that many of the regulars who play higher than that regard as clutter.

Some suggested 200NL be SSNL only, but this would not be fair to the already overcrowded SSNL, so a compromise (a 4th forum) was introduced.

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so basically there comes a point when everyone thinks the lowest level stuff is standard right? No matter where the split. I think .02.04/&.05/.1 stuff is pretty standard but splitting SSNL doesnt mean that its going to go away. We cant just let Micro run off and do its own thing... it means SSNL guys are going to have to go down and post and give some sort of experienced feedback.

[munkey]

I think possible problems would be that the micro have alot unanswered or bad advice(esp. from me [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) leading to alot Micro traffic getting posted in the SSNL forum and have to be modmoved to micro.

I think micro could become fairly scarce of good posters, though thanks Isura and others for offering to coming down to post.

I think the NL50 players might suffer too as they are just starting to move up out the kiddie pool have learnt some basics but may want some more help from NL100 posters but can't post their NL50 hands in teh SSNL forum.


(As a NL50 player myself on the cusp of moving up to NL100 I count myself in this group)

For the NL100/200 I think this is good and will make this a good forum - an incentive to move up perma.

As for general strategy posts and the well type things I think some cross posting by the higher forum mods of threads of interest to their lower stakes forum would be helpful- maybe a digest from NL100 of interest for the micros?
This would also help cross forum interaction, IMHO alot good threads have been from MSNL/HSNL guys (like edge ama yvesaint) posting in SSNL.

I'm meh whatever happens I'll adapt, I'm just concerned about the beginners.

[avfletch]

For all of those who are saying things along the lines of, "I'd call this at $25 but not at $100/$200" I'd like to point out that its the same game. If you change the way you play based on the stakes rather than the players you encounter then you have a massive leak in your game.

Sure, this might apply for the first couple of orbits (we've all been there with JJ on the first hand when someone just shoves like a crazy fool) but after that you should be changing your game based on the opponents you encounter.

I play anywhere from $10NL (when teaching my dad) up to $100 (when I'm really awake, focused and have found a good table). The hands I look for advice on are the ones where I couldn't figure out what to do based on the players, the betting patterns, the cards etc. These happen all the way from $2NL up to $2kNL and beyond.

For everyone who just wants to read posts about there own level I think you're missing something. I've played some rock hard $25NL games (2+2'ers when they're not nitting/lagging it up for example) and some ridiculously soft $100NL games.

In conclusion, if you think that the stake being played at is the most important factor then you're really missing out on the bigger picture. I think we should keep the forums as is and take more time to explain to people why something is "OMG STANDARD!!!1one" rather than trying to wall them up somewhere.

[goofyballer]

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I think the NL50 players might suffer too as they are just starting to move up out the kiddie pool have learnt some basics but may want some more help from NL100 posters but can't post their NL50 hands in teh SSNL forum.

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I agree w/ this.

[4_2_it]

Well, it we have to split, this seems reasonable. It will take the patience of Job to grapple with the inevitable "He 3-bet should I fold KK" and "I have a set, I must slow play" posts that a micro forum is bound to see on a regular basis.

I am indifferent on how we split the forums and will probably post in both.

[jbird]

**grunch**

I like.

[prayformojo]

I'm for it, although as one of those teetering on the SSNL/MSNL line I don't think it will affect me much. The bad thing about having such a rich, popular forum is the constant deluge of hand posts, which can lead to stock answers and restrict real debate. Breaking the forums should at least reduce the number of threads. I realize, though, that the deluge is more likely to move down then up, so I don't know how good this is going to be for some of the lower level strategy folks.

[gimmetheloot]

Sounds sweet to me, ill definitely still give advice in the micro forum for lower stakes players.

[ChipStorm]

As forum traffic increases, splits become necessary. If it's time, it's time. It would be nice to see more than 1 or 2 posts survive the day near the top of the page, all getting some decent discussion. With current volume, things get washed away too quickly.

Given that a split is in the offing, aj, those look like the perfect divisions.

Dividing the forums along the lines of stakes played is far from perfect, but at least it's unambiguous and provides a clear guideline to posters. It would be impossible to divide things up conceptually. Forums for "ABC mechanics", "hand reading", "higher order thinking"? Ugh.

And as is the case now, there's still no rule that says that, if you played a NL25 hand against someone you consider to be especially competent, and you think the hand was difficult for more than fundamental reasons, you can't post it in the NL100-NL200 forum. They're just guidelines.

[Gelford]

Ahh Traffic sweet trafic.


There is no doubt that as long as possible split should be avoided, but traffic has become too high. If spend (litteraly) one day in STT and when I return there are a zillion posts

I'm in favor, and the proposed split is exactly how I would do it.