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#51
08-20-2006, 01:14 AM
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Re: reality check. odds on making the Nationwide Tour
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[ QUOTE ] the difference between scratch and "nationwide tour" huge. there are many guys trying to keep their nationwide card so they dont have to drop down a tour where there are zero fans watching. the average handicap on the nationwide tour is probably +4 and the contenders are close to +10. every shot after scratch is that much harder to drop as the better you play the less room you have for improvement. If you are going to chase ur dream, stay on the putting green for the first month and if you cant make 10 flat 12-15 footers in a row at the end of the month i would find something different to put your time to. [/ QUOTE ] +10??? I think that's in the ballpark of what they calculated Tiger's tournament handicap around the time of the US Open at Pebble Beach. You know, when he played almost perfect golf? I agree with +4, but I think +10 is few and far between (depending on what courses you're talking about) [/ QUOTE ] Right on... World Player of the Year — Tiger: A perfect '+10' - Brief Article A couple things from the article... Tiger played at a +12 during the Open at Pebble... And Greg Norman had the previous "record" at +7.6... 
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#53
08-20-2006, 10:13 PM
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Re: reality check. odds on making the Nationwide Tour
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Right on... World Player of the Year — Tiger: A perfect '+10' - Brief Article A couple things from the article... Tiger played at a +12 during the Open at Pebble... And Greg Norman had the previous "record" at +7.6... [/ QUOTE ] Plus [censored] 12. That is [censored] scary. He could give the OP 20 strokes. (And me a few more - yikes!)
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#54
08-20-2006, 10:35 PM
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Re: reality check. odds on making the Nationwide Tour
True Odds: 1,000,000,000 to 1.
If not worse. You honestly have no chance at all. Your 8 handicap would easily translate to atleast 15 on the Nationwide courses. I would give you 2 years to break 80 consistantly at these courses. Another 2-3 years before you break scratch. Another 2-3 years before you can consistantly break scratch and shoot some rounds under par. EVEN THEN, You won't be good enough for the Nationwide Tour. There's 7-8 years of dedication. You're now 34-35 years old and your body is just beginning to wear down. Now you're hitting 280 instead of 300. You seriously have no chance at all and are just hanging on a hope and a prayer of a pipedream.
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#55
08-20-2006, 10:41 PM
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Re: reality check. odds on making the Nationwide Tour
I played division 1 college golf for four years. Now, 2 years later, I am scratch without ever practicing. I am very talented at golf, and if I were to do this I would put my odds at about 20-1 against. For an 8 handicap, its in the thousands to one at least.
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#56
08-20-2006, 11:25 PM
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Re: reality check. odds on making the Nationwide Tour
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And I imagine most of those Nationwide guys are around +2 or better. [/ QUOTE ] Umm not even close. My neighbor's son is a Freshman at Stanford on a golf scholarship. He won the California State high school championship as a senior and when he left for Stanford was a +3 handicap. That said he's only the sixth best player on his college team (a team which last year was not very good.) Everyone in this thread is seriously underestimating the difference between even the best amateur players and touring professionals. As for the original post I would say based on the criteria laid out that the number is so large that it might as well be infinity.
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#57
08-20-2006, 11:49 PM
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Re: reality check. odds on making the Nationwide Tour
I play golf for my college team (D1). I'm pretty good, not great. We had a guy on the team a few years ago who was very good (one of the confernce's better players; better than scratch). He graduated with some BS degree and tried to play professionally. He couldn't even keep up with the players on some tiny mini tour you've never heard of. This was all very discouraging to me. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
To summarize: those guys really are good. Most have been playing non stop since they were kids and have had lessons from good pros, etc. They have a huge edge and I seriously doubt someone that didn't get an early start can catch up. But, fwiw, playing once/week and maintaining an 8 handicap is very impressive. If you enjoy playing I'd get more serious about it and see what happens, just don't get your hopes up. A more realistic idea would be to retire at 45 and make the senior tour (many have done this). [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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#58
08-20-2006, 11:52 PM
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They make an okay living, but it's not an easy life. I'm doubt the tour would exsist if it had no connection to the PGA tour.
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#59
08-21-2006, 12:04 AM
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Re: reality check. odds on making the Nationwide Tour
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[ QUOTE ] And I imagine most of those Nationwide guys are around +2 or better. [/ QUOTE ] Umm not even close. My neighbor's son is a Freshman at Stanford on a golf scholarship. He won the California State high school championship as a senior and when he left for Stanford was a +3 handicap. That said he's only the sixth best player on his college team (a team which last year was not very good.) Everyone in this thread is seriously underestimating the difference between even the best amateur players and touring professionals. As for the original post I would say based on the criteria laid out that the number is so large that it might as well be infinity. [/ QUOTE ] Unless your number of "umm"s is so large that it might as well be infinity, then you can save them for a better spot. Did you see the post just a few above yours that said until Tiger went nutso in 2000 that the all-time record for HDCP among PGA Tour pros was like +7.6? While I could see where pros have gotten better in the past six years, I seriously doubt they've improved so much that its own minitour is not far removed from "around +2 or better". I built in a margin of error for a reason.
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#60
08-21-2006, 02:28 PM
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Re: reality check. odds on making the Nationwide Tour
Well any attempt to plug PGA tournament scores into the USGA handicap is silly because the USGA does not rate courses as set up for tournament play (the 7.6 number seems to be taken from the normal back tee rating of 75/144.) I would imagine Pebble Beach as set up for the US Open would have a course rating pushing 80, which would give Tiger an average differential of 11 for all 4 rounds.
Here is a thread on rec.sports.golf where a fringe Tour player does actually have a real USGA handicap of +6.4. I would imagine this is probably about where most Nationwide-caliber players would fall.
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