The "Ghost" extra chips in the WSOP ME

[sekrah]

i'd say the Rebuy events would be the best place to stuff away chips.

[AngusThermopyle]

The big difference, per above counts, came between end Day 6 and end Day 7.
Only 27 players.
Pretty good planning if one of the 27 had stashed $2M in tourney chips ahead of time.
I still vote TD error.

[72off]

They should move this tournament online.

[sketchy1]

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So what denomination chips were most frequently pocketed from prelim events?

A ton of $25 and $100 chips just seems silly (although maybe not).
Once you get deep enough in a $1500 prelim where you have $5k and $25k chips I would think you wouldn't want to part with them in that event.

Although maybe some short-stack guy who has gotten fairly deep pushes all-in and knows he is covered and is somehow able to palm one or two of the $5k chips from his stack since he knows he's about out of the tourney anyway.

Something like that seem plausible?


Still, for 2-3 million in extra chips this needed to happen several times.

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sure you wouldn't want to part with them, that's why when you move all-in, get called and bust, and you're stacking off to see if you're covered, you palm a few of the bigs.

[shaniac]

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i'd say the Rebuy events would be the best place to stuff away chips.

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Why? The chips have the same value in the rebuy as they did in MOST of the events.

The only two events where it would have been profitable to palm chips were the $1K Ladies' Event and the 1K event in the middle, since those started with 1500 chips, a 50% value for cheats.

[MrFizzbin]

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But where did the freaking extra chips come from in the first place and who got them in there?


It's not like I can just pocket them from my own stack and then sneak them over to somebody else to put in their stack. That wouldn't lead to any extra chips in the count.


They had to come from the Rio somehow, right?

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Why couldn't they be counterfieted (yes its spelled badly go away trolls) Its not like Harrahs re-designs the chips each year (that would cost money) Of course they could auction off the previous years chips on ebay either individually or as chip sets and probably make more enough to cover costs and provide a little profit... but that would require forward thinking..... and lets face it these guys aren't too forward....

[Nate.]

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i'd say the Rebuy events would be the best place to stuff away chips.

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Why? The chips have the same value in the rebuy as they did in MOST of the events.

The only two events where it would have been profitable to palm chips were the $1K Ladies' Event and the 1K event in the middle, since those started with 1500 chips, a 50% value for cheats.

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Shane--

I don't know how to phrase this without sounding condescending, but don't forget that chips also change value depending on stack/tournament/payout conditions. T10k peeled off the top of a big stack in some preliminary event could represent much more $EV at certain stages of other tournaments (or even the same one).

Now, if the reporting is correct, the extra chips were introduced (if at all) when the average stack was already several bazillion chips, but it's an important general tournament-cheating principle and one that could easily have been applied in the conditions at this year's WSOP.

Fondly,

some guy you gave a ride to a month ago

[theblitz]

Has anyone taken into account the fact that more than one new chip can be added. This can happen if a player loses all his chips in the race off. In this case the player receives one of the higher level chips. This is to prevent a player being eliminated by a race off.

So, if one player's stack is less than the consolidation level (which can happen) then it is quite possible that just under 2 chips worth will be added.
If this happens at a high level it can easily add a big amount of chips.

I haven't checked the actual amount of chips there were so I can't stgate if that was the reason or not - just an idea.

[Quiet Lion]

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Has anyone taken into account the fact that more than one new chip can be added. This can happen if a player loses all his chips in the race off. In this case the player receives one of the higher level chips. This is to prevent a player being eliminated by a race off.

So, if one player's stack is less than the consolidation level (which can happen) then it is quite possible that just under 2 chips worth will be added.
If this happens at a high level it can easily add a big amount of chips.

I haven't checked the actual amount of chips there were so I can't stgate if that was the reason or not - just an idea.

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Yes, both Jerrod Ankenman and I did the math to prove that only a tiny fraction of 2.2M chips could have been added even in a pathological case.

http://tinyurl.com/fkaxm
http://tinyurl.com/fzfro

[Ortho]

Yes, I think that's clear.

But the current explanation is that lots of stacks were blinded off in the day 1 fiascos, and that those people were later given full stacks to play with, pumping $10k into the poker economy each time this happened. What say you about that?