Phil Helmuth disrespect

[DrewDevil]

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Of course I've never met Hellmuth in person, and I'm sure he's nice to his wife, old ladies, and puppies, but he is a complete [censored] whenever I see him on TV.

He is an insecure jerk who wants everybody to know what a great player he is and what an idiot every other player is. The "this guy can't even spell poker" diatribe was one of the most assholish things I've seen anyone do, and I can't believe he continues to get away with this type of crap.

Great player? Obviously. Deserving of respect? [censored] that.

He is poker's version of Barry Bonds--a serious [censored] with serious game.

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I've never heard Phil Hellmuth telling 8 year old boys to "[censored] Off" when asking for an autograph.

You know obviously know NOTHING about Bonds and Hellmuth away from the field and table, so just keep your trap shut.

Hellmuth is good friends with MANY, MANY pros and a very nice guy away from the table.

Bonds is an [censored], on the field, off the field, and wherever he is. This has been confirmed by about a couple hundred people in "Love Me/Hate Me".

I've never heard a single person comment that Phil was abrassive or rude to anybody away from the table.

The only people who probably have a problem with Phil away from the table are those with confrontational/bully personalities, such as Sam Grizzle.

Phil says what he thinks. There's not a person in here who hasn't ranted to themselves, "God what a [censored] idiot, I can't believe that guy just did that." Pnil lets it out at the table, that's his one vice.

Get off his case. There are far worse [censored] in the poker world than Hellmuth.

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So your defense of Hellmuth is that he's not as big of an [censored] as Barry Bonds, that he has friends and he's a nice guy away from the table, and that there are poker players who are worse?

High praise indeed.

He's an [censored] at the table. I don't care why he is, whether it's for money, or exposure, or what. The way he acts at the table is appalling, and I don't care if he's nice to people elsewhere.

It still makes him an [censored].

[chezwiz75]

I meant this to be purely on poker accomlishments and why they would announce that he busted mockingly and then have Doyles announcement like it was a great thing. I guess you just had to be there. The guy that announced it did so as to promote the everyone hates phil applause but when it was time for Doyles exit it was the sincere we love Doyle announcement. I am just thinking on bracelet accomplishments Phil should get more respect from the tourney director.

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...but if anyone is keeping score Helmuth does have as many braclets as Doyle.

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...but a lot fewer friends and almost no respect.

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Helmuth is primarily a NLHE tournament player. Doyle is primarily a cash game player, and is a more successful and accomplished player than Helmuth. Helmuth plays well against amateur players, which is probably why he specializes in tournaments.

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More rubbish from betgo.

Hellmuth won most of his bracelets against fields of 150-250 pros back in the late 80s and throughout the 90s.


Please, don't just post because you think you know something. Construct some facts together.

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There were less fish in the tournaments at the time Helmuth won those bracelets, but most top players did not play a lot of tournaments. Brunson has been around for a while, but I believe all his bracelets are in high buyin events. Hellmuth is a very strong players, but I wouldn't put him at the same level as Brunson, although it is all kind of subjective.

As for the OP's complaint, obviously Brunson is repected based on other things than his play, and Helmuth is not.

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I am just thinking on bracelet accomplishments Phil should get more respect from the tourney director.



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Perhaps Phil has called the tourney director a donkey at the poker table before. Or maybe he looked into his soul and left the poor man scarred for life or maybe he can't spell P O K E R.

Not showing respect for Phil should be the norm, not the exception. Ever hear of reaping what you sow?

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I am just thinking on bracelet accomplishments Phil should get more respect from the tourney director.



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Perhaps Phil has called the tourney director a donkey at the poker table before. Or maybe he looked into his soul and left the poor man scarred for life or maybe he can't spell P O K E R.

Not showing respect for Phil should be the norm, not the exception. Ever hear of reaping what you sow?

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I was sitting next to someone who gave Phil one of his famous bad beats. I brought up the story to him and he said that it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

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That's horrible! I can't see why Hellmuth isn't treated with as much respect as Brunson.

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Perhaps you need corrective lenses, then.

Hellmuth apologists know full-well that there is no excuse for the childish displays he puts on at the table. No one doubts his talent, but there's a difference between being a class-act winner (Doyle) and a complete brat (Phil).

[CybrPunk]

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Let me first start by saying that I am not a big Helmuth fan. I do give him credit for his wins. I was playing day 2b when he busted and the guy on the PA announced that he had busted very snotty like so that everyone could cheer. I couldn't even bring myself to cheer because I thought that this was very disrespectful to someone that had just won their tenth bracelet. Hours later when Doyle busted there was some cheering but it was the respect filled cheering. They waited till he was out of the room and announced it then brought him back in for some more respect and cheering. Now I know that Doyle has been around for decades but if anyone is keeping score Helmuth does have as many braclets as Doyle. I just think it was in pretty bad taste the way they handled it. It also makes me sick to stick up for Phil.

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If your avatar was different I might pay attention to what you had to say.

Bouncy things to the left... much much much more entertaining.

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You must mean day 1B. Today is 2B and Doyle busted in the first day as did Phil early

[jdblacknines]

I don't think PH gives a [censored] about what people think unless they are top level pros...and from everything you see and hear the top level pros respect PH's game.

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I don't think PH gives a [censored] about what people think unless they are top level pros...

[/ QUOTE ]No, he cares or he wouldn't always be talking about how great he is. Every interview I've heard with him invovles him explaining just what an awesome life he has/who he knows/what his accomplishments are. Ask him about any poker concept, and he'll have a story about himself that really doesn't have much to do with the question. It is pretty obvious that he still has low self esteem, even with all of his poker accomplishments, which I think is pretty sad.

I think he is a solid player and generally tries to do good by people. I watched him play an online tournament (which he won) and he was very patient with the gazillion hecklers who kept chatting at him, trying to provoke him.

He does try to make excuses for his attitude and I don't think he really likes that aspect of himself. Unfortunatly, it makes him an unpleasant human being when he's taking a beat. He has earned a lot of the disrespect that he receives, and he probably knows that. I think it's still unclassy to dish it out the way people do, but you can't expect everyone to be classy.