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#51
07-25-2006, 02:06 PM
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Re: Hellmuth Crushing at the WSOP
Moneymaker finished 10th in a Pot Limit Omaha WSOP event in 2004... Finished 18th at a UB poker classic.
From what I've seen he spends most of his time online. He hardly ever gets out and does the live tourneys. He's a money guy (an accountant) so he's probably pretty responsible/conservative with money and doesn't go out too often to throw his millions around. Probably has most of it in the stock market. 
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#52
07-25-2006, 02:08 PM
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Re: Hellmuth Crushing at the WSOP
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Moneymaker finished 10th in a Pot Limit Omaha WSOP event in 2004... Finished 18th at a UB poker classic. From what I've seen he spends most of his time online. He hardly ever gets out and does the live tourneys. He's a money guy (an accountant) so he's probably pretty responsible/conservative with money and doesn't go out too often to throw his millions around. Probably has most of it in the stock market. [/ QUOTE ] From what I've heard the opposite is true.
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#53
07-25-2006, 02:18 PM
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Re: Hellmuth Crushing at the WSOP
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[ QUOTE ] Moneymaker finished 10th in a Pot Limit Omaha WSOP event in 2004... Finished 18th at a UB poker classic. From what I've seen he spends most of his time online. He hardly ever gets out and does the live tourneys. He's a money guy (an accountant) so he's probably pretty responsible/conservative with money and doesn't go out too often to throw his millions around. Probably has most of it in the stock market. [/ QUOTE ] From what I've heard the opposite is true. [/ QUOTE ] Really? This sounds interesting. Please do share details.
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#54
07-25-2006, 02:27 PM
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Re: Hellmuth Crushing at the WSOP
So just because you're tilting means it's ok? Steam control is probably the most single key factor into being a great player. You can't simply put an excuse.."Oh he's a great player, he only lost because he was just tilting." Those hands were poorly played....he was calling so many marginal hands preflop..and then CHECING them...I understand the notion that you can call with any 2 and try to outplay, but he wasn't doing that. He was going with this check/call, check in the dark style trapping with terrible hands.
I don't disagree but just because Phil does it on one show doesn't mean he's a bad player. Stu ungar was a fierce tilter as were ppl like Negreanu when he was younger. Phil is one of those guys who when he's on fire (as he is now) he's the best in the world but when he off his game he's a donator. Someone like Greenstein or Reese may never hit fire the way a guy like phil or stu ungar does they are an 8/10 guy every night where Phil fluctuates between 5 and 10. Are you also saying Phil gets more unlucky than any other players? Perhaps his beats are more impressionable by his tantrums...vs. say Phil Ivey's beats who gets up and leaves the table. No he's not any less lucky but he'll suffer more bad beats because he plays more hands and bets weaker than Ivey. Also Ivey is more socially reserved how do you know he isn't going "What a stupid donkey can I catch a break..... etc" in his head as he's walking away. Like someone had already stated...all the big name pros play the main event..and I was talking about the SMALLER ONES..the days when poker was dying and the fields were small. I have no idea if this was easier or not..it's just a conjecture. I dont think we can easily put Phil's earlier wins into modern context but the idea that Phil Helmuth can only beat bad players just doesn't hold up. Even going by this year alone he's made three final tables in events packed with superstars and was very unlucky no to win the $5,000 NLH event which is probably no.4 in terms of prestege behind the main event, the horse and the $10k PLO.
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#55
07-25-2006, 02:49 PM
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Re: Hellmuth Crushing at the WSOP
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that is a sick final table GO DARYN [/ QUOTE ] How many bracelets does it take to remove yourself from the hot tub? Go Daryn!
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#57
07-25-2006, 03:46 PM
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Re: Hellmuth Crushing at the WSOP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Moneymaker finished 10th in a Pot Limit Omaha WSOP event in 2004... Finished 18th at a UB poker classic. From what I've seen he spends most of his time online. He hardly ever gets out and does the live tourneys. He's a money guy (an accountant) so he's probably pretty responsible/conservative with money and doesn't go out too often to throw his millions around. Probably has most of it in the stock market. [/ QUOTE ] From what I've heard the opposite is true. [/ QUOTE ] Really? This sounds interesting. Please do share details. [/ QUOTE ] In his book there are several times where he gets himself in too deep gambling. I'm going on memory here, but believe he blew the majority of his bankroll in just a few days betting sports after having had an extended good run to build the roll.
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#59
07-25-2006, 08:54 PM
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Re: Hellmuth Crushing at the WSOP
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Phil has about 1/2 of all the chips left at the table. $1.1 million with 4 left. [/ QUOTE ] He has a good lead, but really anyone's tourney. PH has to keep pushing the action, IMO.
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#60
07-26-2006, 12:50 AM
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Re: Hellmuth Crushing at the WSOP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Moneymaker finished 10th in a Pot Limit Omaha WSOP event in 2004... Finished 18th at a UB poker classic. From what I've seen he spends most of his time online. He hardly ever gets out and does the live tourneys. He's a money guy (an accountant) so he's probably pretty responsible/conservative with money and doesn't go out too often to throw his millions around. Probably has most of it in the stock market. [/ QUOTE ] From what I've heard the opposite is true. [/ QUOTE ] Really? This sounds interesting. Please do share details. [/ QUOTE ] Read his book. It's actually pretty interesting and surprisingly honest. He is anything but conservative with money. He blew tens of thousands of dollars he didn't have (he was jointly bankrolled with his dad) on a drunken sports-betting whim. The night he won the WSOP main event he went out and spent something like $30K at a strip club. Granted, I would have done the exact same thing. I'm just saying that Dan Harrington wouldn't have. Just because Moneymaker comes from an accounting background doesn't mean he's a tightwad like Harrington. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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