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#51
07-07-2006, 10:24 PM
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Seriously, answer this question. Don't come up with some situation to prove a point, straight out answer the question.
Hitter One: .300/.380/.400 Hitter Two: .235/.380/.550 Who is better? 
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#52
07-07-2006, 10:24 PM
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Then why didn't you start a thread titled "Why can't Scott Podsednik hit 50 homers?" [/ QUOTE ] Because guys that are built like Podsednik cannot hit 50 homers. Dunn is not an awful hitter. He clearly has good strike zone judgment. It's obvious he's just going up there swinging for the moon, and a lot of times, he gets there. Some of his homers still haven't landed. If he learned to be a better 'hitter', even though perhaps his homer rate would decrease a bit, he would make up for his SLG with an increase in singles and other hits. As it is right now, Dunn is basically a .250/.380/.520. If he turned into a, say, .290/.380/.500 hitter, I would consider him to be more productive than he is now.
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#53
07-07-2006, 10:25 PM
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PHB, you do have a point, and might I add you are not close to the most annoying person in this thread, but I think the only time you would rather have the higher AVG guy is in 8th inning or later when you are either tied or down 1.
Every other time I would take the OBP Slugger.
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#54
07-07-2006, 10:26 PM
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Seriously, answer this question. Don't come up with some situation to prove a point, straight out answer the question. Hitter One: .300/.380/.400 Hitter Two: .235/.380/.550 Who is better? [/ QUOTE ] Who steals more and who goes 1st-to-third more and who breaks up double plays more?
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#57
07-07-2006, 10:28 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Seriously, answer this question. Don't come up with some situation to prove a point, straight out answer the question. Hitter One: .300/.380/.400 Hitter Two: .235/.380/.550 Who is better? [/ QUOTE ] Who steals more and who goes 1st-to-third more and who breaks up double plays more? [/ QUOTE ] Ugh. All other things are equal, including steals, speed, defence, position, salary, age and attitude in the clubhouse. You know it's player 2. So just stop.
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#58
07-07-2006, 10:29 PM
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I'm not good enough at math to determine which is better, but it sure seems that with the examples given, I'd rather take the player who is 30% more likely to get a single. [/ QUOTE ] Doing this requires a few assumptions, but it's not too difficult. Hitter One: .300/.380/.400 Hitter Two: .235/.380/.550 Let's assume 50% of the time the runner on second can score safely on a single, and 50% of the time he cannot (depending on where it lands, who is in the outfield, etc). Furthermore, the runner on second scores on all extra-base hits (obviously). Hitter One is at the plate, 30% of the time he will score a hit. 90% of the time he does, it's a single. 10% of the time, it's for extra bases. Hitter One (100 trials): -Does not score the run (out, walk): 70 times -Single that scores the run: 13.5 times -Single that does not score the run: 13.5 times -Extra-Base Hit: 3 times Hitter One scores the run on second base 16.5 times out of 100, good for a 16.5% average of scoring that run. Hitter Two is at the plate Hitter 23.5% of the time he will score a hit. 58.5% of the time he does, it's a single. 31.5% of the time, it's for extra bases. Hitter Two (100 trials): -Does not score the run (out, walk): 76.5 times -Single that scores the run: 8.05 times -Single that does not score the run: 8.05 times -Extra-Base Hit: 7.4 times Hitter Two scores the run on second base 15.45 times out of 100, good for a 15.45% average of scoring that run. Hitter Two is less likely to score that run by 1.05%. Is this a meaningful percentage? Maybe. However, consider that Hitter Two will be in scoring position (2nd or 3rd base) or have hit a home run more than twice as many times as Hitter One will. Which is more valuable?
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#59
07-07-2006, 10:31 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Seriously, answer this question. Don't come up with some situation to prove a point, straight out answer the question. Hitter One: .300/.380/.400 Hitter Two: .235/.380/.550 Who is better? [/ QUOTE ] Who steals more and who goes 1st-to-third more and who breaks up double plays more? [/ QUOTE ] Ugh. All other things are equal, including steals, speed, defence, position, salary, age and attitude in the clubhouse. You know it's player 2. So just stop. [/ QUOTE ] If they are both 23 years old and I'm thinking of signing them for 5 years, then I think player 1 can add some weight and develop power, whereas, if player 2 is only a .230 hitter at this young age, that is a bad sign. His power won't increase much, and his hitting will probably deteriorate. Oh, this wasn't the answer you were looking for.
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#60
07-07-2006, 10:33 PM
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If they are both 23 years old and I'm thinking of signing them for 5 years, then I think player 1 can add some weight and develop power, whereas, if player 2 is only a .230 hitter at this young age, that is a bad sign. His power won't increase much, and his hitting will probably deteriorate. Oh, this wasn't the answer you were looking for. [/ QUOTE ] As much as prohornblower is obviously skirting the question (Hitter Two is better, sorry PHB, just admit it), he brings up a valid concern. Hitters with "young guy" skills (hitting for high average, fast running) tend to age better by taking more walks and developing selective powers. Hitters with "old guy" (low BA / high OBP, slower running, selective power) skills that are young tend to age poorly. PHB has a point here. He's still wrong. Pretty cool how that works, right?
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