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01-15-2006, 06:46 PM
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Re: Peyton Manning?
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[ QUOTE ] He's always been on a team where he has to do very good in order for his team to win. So naturally, when he doesn't do awesome, its very difficult for his team to win, simple as that. Did Elway all of a sudden learn how to not choke, or did his team just get better? [/ QUOTE ] This is laughable. The Colts were 13-0 this year. There was talk of an undefeated season. Their play harkened back to that great Miami Dolphis team. The Colts had the best team in the NFL until they played their first playoff game. Then: ack, ack, ack, Manning chokes. He can't even throw the ball when it counts because the monkey on his back won't let go of his throat. Personally, I now think Manning is basically done as a pro. This was his best chance and he knows it. He has a few more mediocre seasons in front of him and then he'll join Dan Marino in the studio. It also looks like Eli will follow in Peyton's footsteps. [/ QUOTE ] So I take it you are not of the mind that the Colts play terrible early on, with all aspects of the game showing significant signs of rust (Manning et al. but for god sake try to remember the "et al"). I'm really rethinking the coaching choice to sit all those guys for so long. But in addition, the Steelers are getting lost in all this, they played a hell of a game (at least in the first half), they deserve alot of the credit 
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#52
01-15-2006, 06:47 PM
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Re: Peyton Manning?
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[ QUOTE ] Personally, I now think Manning is basically done as a pro. This was his best chance and he knows it. He has a few more mediocre seasons in front of him and then he'll join Dan Marino in the studio. [/ QUOTE ] Wow, and people like Sublime say I make stupid comments. Even if he does think I'm probably a nice guy. [/ QUOTE ] yes the quoted statement is asinine.
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#53
01-15-2006, 06:48 PM
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btw edge, nuttin personal. im sure you are a nice guy. [/ QUOTE ] If you're being straight with me, then we're ok. We both get caught up in our own teams, and like I've said before, its fun having a rivalry. Just gotta be a line somewhere (even if we don't actually know each other in real life). Its all good, just sports.
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#54
01-15-2006, 06:49 PM
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Re: Peyton Manning?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Personally, I now think Manning is basically done as a pro. This was his best chance and he knows it. He has a few more mediocre seasons in front of him and then he'll join Dan Marino in the studio. [/ QUOTE ] Wow, and people like Sublime say I make stupid comments. Even if he does think I'm probably a nice guy. [/ QUOTE ] yes the quoted statement is asinine. [/ QUOTE ] Just when I was assuming you were blind to anything not +NE or -Peyton, you go and say something reasonable like this. You're really making it hard to hate you here man. Cody
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01-15-2006, 06:51 PM
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Re: Peyton Manning?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He's always been on a team where he has to do very good in order for his team to win. So naturally, when he doesn't do awesome, its very difficult for his team to win, simple as that. Did Elway all of a sudden learn how to not choke, or did his team just get better? [/ QUOTE ] This is laughable. The Colts were 13-0 this year. There was talk of an undefeated season. Their play harkened back to that great Miami Dolphis team. The Colts had the best team in the NFL until they played their first playoff game. Then: ack, ack, ack, Manning chokes. He can't even throw the ball when it counts because the monkey on his back won't let go of his throat. Personally, I now think Manning is basically done as a pro. This was his best chance and he knows it. He has a few more mediocre seasons in front of him and then he'll join Dan Marino in the studio. It also looks like Eli will follow in Peyton's footsteps. [/ QUOTE ] You do realize that if Vandy just made the FG, everyone would be talking about how clutch Manning was. How he sent the punting unit off, and willed his team to comeback. Instead some idiot kicker misses a FG and Manning "chokes again". [/ QUOTE ] It's not even that simple, if any of 56 things went the other way in that game, the score is IND 11-56 and PIT 14-56 and all points in between. And yes of course if those things happen then everyone changes, except the Manning haters, they'll still hate Manning, and the NE haters, they'll just say Brady is overrated more. Cody
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#56
01-15-2006, 06:51 PM
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[ QUOTE ] btw edge, nuttin personal. im sure you are a nice guy. [/ QUOTE ] If you're being straight with me, then we're ok. We both get caught up in our own teams, and like I've said before, its fun having a rivalry. Just gotta be a line somewhere (even if we don't actually know each other in real life). Its all good, just sports. [/ QUOTE ] yeah i am being SU. of course i will still probably cross that line in the future, but thats what makes me, well me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] still, neva anything personal [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#57
01-15-2006, 06:52 PM
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btw edge, nuttin personal. [/ QUOTE ] I'll second this. I can prove that my sentiments are genuine because he's not on my ignore list.
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#58
01-15-2006, 06:53 PM
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Re: Peyton Manning?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] btw edge, nuttin personal. im sure you are a nice guy. [/ QUOTE ] If you're being straight with me, then we're ok. We both get caught up in our own teams, and like I've said before, its fun having a rivalry. Just gotta be a line somewhere (even if we don't actually know each other in real life). Its all good, just sports. [/ QUOTE ] yeah i am being SU. of course i will still probably cross that line in the future, but thats what makes me, well me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] still, neva anything personal [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] As long as its understood, then its gravy. You know I try not to make TOO much of an ass of myself (with the exception of one stupid baseball comment). You bringing the beer for next week's AFC title game? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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#59
01-15-2006, 06:53 PM
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Re: Peyton Manning?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] He's always been on a team where he has to do very good in order for his team to win. So naturally, when he doesn't do awesome, its very difficult for his team to win, simple as that. Did Elway all of a sudden learn how to not choke, or did his team just get better? [/ QUOTE ] He didn't need to do "very well" in order for them to have avoided elimination in recent years. He merely needed to perform "average". Comparing his situation and Elway's is absurd. Elway carried talentless offensive units to the Super Bowl 3 times. The Colts, by comparison, have had all-world offensive talent surrounding Peyton. Take Elway off those teams and they might not even make the playoffs. Take Manning off his teams, and they might have won the Super Bowl. Is it likely, not necessarily. But it's certainly possible. And all one has to do is look at UT to see that it happened once already. [/ QUOTE ] Wow why stop there, why not say that if they traded Manning for Brady, the Colts would've been 17-0 (after the NFL awarded them a extra win out of reverence) and 3 women per game in each crown would've been spontaniously impragnated by Tom Brady's essence. This is getting good. Cody [/ QUOTE ] You apparently missed the "is it likely, not necessarily. But it's certainly possible." The Colts without Manning but with a mediocre but not terrible QB would still have cruised to a division win and had a shot in the playoffs with a home game or even a bye in the first round (most likely a bye this year with NE, Cincy, and Pittsburgh all sputtering at times). By comparison those Denver teams without Elway would have not made the playoffs much less gotten their asses handed to them 55-10 by the 49ers. Since you don't like these hypothetical scenarios I'll present another argument. Elway didn't choke in those Super Bowls. His team was clearly outmatched by the opposition. He may not have had excellent game but it didn't matter. Just the scores tell you enough: XXIV SF 55 - 10 Denver XXII Washington 42 - 10 Denver XXI NYG 39 - 20 Denver This last one (well the first one) was the only one that was close. Elway was 22-37 for 304 yards with a pick and a TD. Hardly choking. Furthermore, the Super Bowl isn't the only big game obviously. Elway had some ridiculous games, I'm specifically thinking of a couple against the Browns, to put his team into the Super Bowl. He was in no way a choker. I'm somewhat biased here because I never really liked Elway (Montana was my boyhood hero) but he was in no way a choker.
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#60
01-15-2006, 06:55 PM
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So if he is just one player why did he overrule the coach? Sorry Manning took this one on himself, showed up the coach, and didn't come through. Can't have it both ways. [/ QUOTE ] In the post-game interview, Dungy said that he had already decided to go for it, and the kicking team didn't get the message, and started on the field. And on the post-game analysis, Boomer said that the Steeler defense out-coached the Colt offense. That's pretty much what I saw.
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