Can you Ace my quiz?

[aba20]

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Fold.
Call.
Re-raise or Call.
Fold or Re-raise. Calling sucks with this one, unless we are going to be bluffing him a lot, we have crappy implied odds.

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listen to this.

[Burrito]

Hand 1:
Fold, we are behind his range.

Hand 2:
Call. Flop a set, make a bet! Miss a set, fold without regret.

Hand 3:
Re-raise. You are well ahead of his range, and you should:
a.) Get money into the pot with the probable best hand
b.) Take control of the hand.

If you just call, then you'll be folding to his c-bet 2/3 of the time. If you re-raise, you either take it there, or almost always take it on the flop.

Hand 4:
Re-raise. Same thing as above, although I could definitely see a case for folding.

[jskinn04]

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This was a quiz that tested your knowledge of Implied / Reverse-Implied Odds. Now I'm know genius and have only recently begun thinking about these concepts deeply.

I tried to create a quiz that hid which concepts I was trying to emphasize to see how people would respond. At the same time, I think it’s quite interesting how implied odds and reverse implied odds can have a counter intuitive logic.

Implied odds has a significant effect in all rounds of play. Although people often take them into consideration when figuring out how to play a draw, this concept is often over-looked preflop.

Some player simply think about the strength of their hand versus their opponents range. Instead it’s more beneficial to think how the hand is likely to play out (implied odds) given the relative strength of your hand vs your opponents range. Let’s see how this can be applied to the hands I posted.

Hand 1: FOLD. You are behind compared to his range. You have poor Reverse Implied Odds, even if you hit your Ace you’re likely to be behind or splitting the pot. It’ll be hard to get value out of your hand, since you’re OOP.

Hand 2: CALL. You have GOOD Implied Odds. If you hit your set, then you’re likely to be up against a strong hand by your opponent. Therefore, you can stack him.

Hand 3: RERAISE. Since it’s 6max, I think a reraise is the best play. However, I think the next best play is to fold. It’s hard to play hands oop against strong opponents. But since you’re hand is so much stronger than his range and since he plays a lot of Aces, you have good implied odds. The point of the reraise is to win it there or take control of the hand on the flop.

Hand 4: FOLD. You have Poor Implied Odds. Even though your hand is stronger than his range. It’ll be hard to play this hand oop against the opponent if you don’t flop a set. At the same time, even if you do flop a set, you’re unlikely to get paid-off since most flops miss your opponent.

Why it can be hard to grasp. You fold AQo and call with 33 against a strong range. You ReRaise with AQo and fold with 33 against a loose range.

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GREAT POST!

[wiggs73]

My votes were

fold
call
re-raise
call

[Matt Flynn]

No, coltrane is a happily lazy musician and part-time poker pro. He's got plenty of time.

[Paul Thomson]

Are you gonig to just tease us... Can't you give us a hint to the ideas that are discussed regarding the example you mention.

[Hobo McCracken]

Okay, I'm going to try these w/o reading any other posts, hopefully I dn't get them all wrong [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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6 max. .50/1.00. All players have $100 stacks. All players play an aggressive smart post-flop style.

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But first, why am I sitting at this table?
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HAND 1:
The UTG who has a raising range of (88+, AQo+), raises to $3.50. It's folded around to the Hero in the BB who has A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].


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That's a very specific range, definately a tight player and obviously you are behind that range, plus we are OOP, I say, fold.
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HAND 2:
The UTG who has a raising range of (88+, AQo+), raises to $3.50. It's folded around to the Hero in the BB who has 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].


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Call me a nit, but I fold this, too. Maybe if I had 55/66, or maybe if I had position on him I could warrant a call here.
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HAND 3:
The Button who has a raising range of (22+, A8o+, A2s+, any suited...single...double gap suited connectors), raises to $3.50. It's folded around to the Hero in the BB who has A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].


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I don't want to play this hand OOP so I re-raise and try to take it down pre-flop.

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Hand 4:
The Button who has a raising range of (22+, A8o+, A2s+, any suited...single...double gap suited connectors), raises to $3.50. It's folded around to the Hero in the BB who has 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].


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I think this warrants a call. Again OOP, but a wider range for our opponent this time.

[bilbo-san]

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Hand 4: call. why push him off his trash hand? I want the chance to flop a set and stack him.

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If villain has a trash hand, why are we stacking him again?

Very, very, very bad logic.

[Big_Jim]

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HAND 2:
The UTG who has a raising range of (88+, AQo+), raises to $3.50. It's folded around to the Hero in the BB who has 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].


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Call me a nit, but I fold this, too. Maybe if I had 55/66, or maybe if I had position on him I could warrant a call here.

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Hand 4:
The Button who has a raising range of (22+, A8o+, A2s+, any suited...single...double gap suited connectors), raises to $3.50. It's folded around to the Hero in the BB who has 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].


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I think this warrants a call. Again OOP, but a wider range for our opponent this time.

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WTF....

Good luck getting to showdown with 33 unimproved.

[bilbo-san]

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All,

I think that calling in hand 4 for purely set value is wrong.

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Missed this. You are right.

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We're throwing $2.50 into a pot that will has $5, with an opponent who is going to c-bet us virtually 100% of the time when we hit our set (that should be an extra $6-$7.50). That's giving us a pretty solid look at 5-to-1 odds, plus anything we can squeeze out of him after that. Set draws are 7.5-to-1 against, so if we can grab an extra $10 out of him on the turn and/or river, we're making a profit. After his c-bet and our call, we'll have a pot with $20ish; I think our implied odds are just fine here.

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If you win $20ish, you are just breaking even. And that's in a very optimistic scenario where villain flops something and he actually wants to put more than just a C-bet in.

Compare that to raising preflop. He'll fold most of his garbage hands incorrectly, since garbage hands are actually not bad vs 33. He'll call with many speculative hands which he will often fold incorrectly postflop. And occassionally he will "slowplay" a big hand. In those occasions we're very unlike to lose our stack, but he is in great danger of doing so.

Just put yourself in villain's shoes and think of how you would play a hand like 66 from the button in a re-raised pot. If you're button here, do you want the BB to re-raise preflop? Do you want to call a flop bet without hitting your set?