Official JUNE uNL **'`MICROBREW THREAD`'** LC/NC this way...

[BishopsFinger]

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NL10 is restoring my faith in poker and life. How come I could never get away with this at higher levels?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $6.45
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $30.45</font>
UTG: $9.45
CO: $24.85
BTN: $6.05

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, CO calls $0.10, BTN folds, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($0.30) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($0.30) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.10</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $0.70</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $0.30

<font color="black">River:</font> ($1.80) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $29.65</font>, CO calls all-in for $24.05
Uncalled bet of $5.60 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $49.90 ($2 Rake)

CO had A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and LOST (-$24.85)
Hero had 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a full house, Queens full of Threes) and WON (+$23.05)

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bet flop - 4 bet turn you have to be [censored] lucky and hit a card that makes him trips to win a big pot. any other card that fills his hand (and not yours) puts him ahead and sets you up to lose a big pot.

[Fiksdal]

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What is the zeebo theorem? (just a quick summary)

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When you have the (near) nuts and think your opponent has a decent hand too, that he is not folding no matter how much you bet, then bet all-in no matter how big of an overbet it is.

[Gelford]

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What is the zeebo theorem? (just a quick summary)

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When you have the (near) nuts and think your opponent has a decent hand too, that he is not folding no matter how much you bet, then bet all-in no matter how big of an overbet it is.

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Errm .. I thought the Zeebo theorem simply was:

Nobody folds a boat ... evar !!!




So if you have a boat and suspect villian has an underboat, then just shove !

[Archon_Wing]

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Just that position and especially selective aggressiveness are not really important (well position is, but first when you reach the push/fold stage, and the importance comes into play on the range of hands you can push, yadiyada ... long rant nipped in the bud)

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Wait... so what is important? The ability to win coinflips? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[HBomb]

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What is the zeebo theorem? (just a quick summary)

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When you have the (near) nuts and think your opponent has a decent hand too, that he is not folding no matter how much you bet, then bet all-in no matter how big of an overbet it is.

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So, in correct terms, the zeebo-theorem is -EV? Or I guess your saying it's +EV if the Heroes hand is generally always ahead of the Villian's decent hand range.

[Gelford]

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Wait... so what is important? The ability to win coinflips? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Hey ... don't get too frisky here [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


But jokes aside, the number one thing in sngs is perfecting your latestage push/fold game. ICM baby !! ..... ICM !!!

[C4LL4W4Y]

No, it's your hand beating his hand range, but he thinks that his hand is beating your hand range.

[C4LL4W4Y]

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Wait... so what is important? The ability to win coinflips? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Hey ... don't get too frisky here [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


But jokes aside, the number one thing in sngs is perfecting your latestage push/fold game. ICM baby !! ..... ICM !!!

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Are you making marginal calls (say with like A5) when a villain that knows icm is abusing the bubble?

[HBomb]

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Wait... so what is important? The ability to win coinflips? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Hey ... don't get too frisky here [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]


But jokes aside, the number one thing in sngs is perfecting your latestage push/fold game. ICM baby !! ..... ICM !!!

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We could have some fun with this, trying to think of what we think ICM "could mean" to any donk like me who doesn't play SNG's even 10% of their time online.


Islamic Crazy Muslims

Icelandic Canoodling Muppets

Isotopic Canary Morphism??

ICM baby!

[Gelford]

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Are you making marginal calls (say with like A5) when a villain that knows icm is abusing the bubble?

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There are two idea's here ... one is the idea of spitecalling, which is basically making a -EV call splattering both your and villians EV all over the table to make villian tighten up in future sngs (but I guess this is not what you are asking about)

The other is the pure ICM call. If villian knows ICM, then he is not pushing any two. So if you sit down with sngpt, you can find a pushing range that fits him (either based on the calling range, that you are guessing he thinks you have or solving for the nash equilibrium)

Once you have villians pushing range, then ICM determines your calling range. Without blindlevel and stacksizes that question is unanswerable.


(Instead of going the whole hog and guessing a pushrange based on your calling range or NE, you can also simply just take a guess at villians pushing range and calculate if calling with A5 is +EV ... HOLLA !)