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#571
10-24-2006, 07:47 AM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
actually since i'm not very good, someone should analyze whether this is any good:
16...d4 17. Qb4 Qd5! because i don't see any other response to Qb4. the above would presumably be followed by Re8 and maybe Re6 later. if curtains plays Qf3, we can follow with: 17...Re8 18. Re1 Nf4 followed shortly by Qd5. this seems pretty stuffed up and possibly risky, but in any case doesn't seem great for curtains. and if he plays Qd3: 16...d4 17. Qd3 Qd5! 18. Kg8 Rd8 19. Bb2 Rd6 meh. i'm tired. hopefully this is all somewhat reasonable and there is no glaring flaw. 
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#573
10-24-2006, 11:01 AM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
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I will admit this is easily the part of the game where I am the worst. I usually find myself lost at this point. If I were playing I would throw my rooks on both open files and then not have a clue what to do. So I'll try to learn something here. Is the point of Ne4 to play Qb6 and tie the rook to the f pawn? Also what do we after d4? I hate to push d4 like that with no plan. I see no way to play d3 in the immediate future. [/ QUOTE ] OK let's look at each move suggested so far... 16...d4 has some ideas of clearing d5 for the black queen, closing the a1-h8 diagonal, and preventing White from dealing with an attack on the e2 pawn by playing e3. I think 17.Qf3 is the only reply we need to look at closely as it does counter our plans. On 17...Re8 he does not need to play 18.Re1 but can instead play 18.Rd1. I don't think this is anything great for black. 16...Qb6 I suggested as a way of getting ...Rc8 in without allowing Qd4, but he can just play 17.Bb2 Rac8 18.Qd3 Rfe8 19.e3 threatening to take our knight and then the d5 pawn, and also Bd4. 16...Ne4 is a way of trying to get out of this battery of bishop and queen aiming at our g7 square before he has a chance to set it up, but I don't think it works. After 17.Qd4 White will have time to play Bb2, and we are just going to be stuck to defending our d-pawn soon with no counterplay. 16...Rc8 does occupy the open file with tempo, but that queen has to move anyway so we can always keep this in reserve. White might prefer to reply with 17.Qd3, which protects e2 in advance, and keeps c2 covered for the moment. Bg5 or Bb2 are coming, followed by contesting the c-file with Rfc1. 16...Re8 attacks the one weak pawn in White's position. Should he play 17.e3 we no longer have to worry about Bg5, and the light squares around White's king have been weakened. Now I like 17...Rc8, if 18.Qd4 Rc2, or after 18.Qd3 maybe 18...Ne4 19.Bb2 and now we have options like 19...Nc5 or 19...Qg5. If 17.Re1 Rc8 again. The rook is just awkwardly placed on e1. On 17.Qd3 we can continue the attack on the pawn with 17...Qe7, which is not threatening if our rook were on c8 instead of e8, of course. But now he needs to defend the pawn and also worry about Qe4+. So far 16...Re8 is the best idea I've seen. It seems to cause more problems for White than the other moves.
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#574
10-24-2006, 12:25 PM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 16...Rc8 17. Qd4 Re8 18. Re1 Qa5 [/ QUOTE ] 19. Bd2 and i think we lose the pawn [/ QUOTE ] 19...Qb5 or Qa6 [/ QUOTE ] 20. Be3 ... i tihnk Qa6 might do it but it's a really poor spot for the queen.
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#576
10-24-2006, 02:43 PM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
I'm not as good as many of the people in this thread, but I like Re8 with a view to trying to play Ne4 and f5 to create a little counterplay before he can coordinate his pieces.
Edit: With that in mind, is Qe7 playable, or is there some instant disaster if that is played? Lori
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#577
10-24-2006, 03:08 PM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
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So far 16...Re8 is the best idea I've seen. It seems to cause more problems for White than the other moves. [/ QUOTE ] Well back to work, still sick... and only played this out in my head, so if you can trust a blindfolded sinus infected mind....looks good. So after posting this I'm editing it as I had a second thought... did you consider him playing 17. Qf3 [ QUOTE ] Should he play 17.e3 we no longer have to worry about Bg5, [/ QUOTE ] Sort figured after b3, he's not really thinking about Bg5. I think the message is that he likes his bishop and is not looking to trade in the near future....
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#579
10-24-2006, 04:02 PM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
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So far 16...Re8 is the best idea I've seen. It seems to cause more problems for White than the other moves. [/ QUOTE ] this is the move i thought of immediately. please reconsider before applying, as im usually wrong.
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#580
10-24-2006, 05:10 PM
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Re: Curtains vs PoG
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Edit: With that in mind, is Qe7 playable, or is there some instant disaster if that is played? [/ QUOTE ] I think that allows Bg5 since Ne4 Bxe7 Nxc3 Bxf8 is not playable. And Qe4+ f3 Qxe2+ Rf2 followed by Bxf6 is pretty destructive. Strega: [ QUOTE ] Sort figured after b3, he's not really thinking about Bg5. I think the message is that he likes his bishop and is not looking to trade in the near future.... [/ QUOTE ] True but sometimes that Bg5 move will wreck our position so badly that of course he will play it in that case. We'd like to trade his e-pawn for our d-pawn, not our g-pawn. [ QUOTE ] did you consider him playing 17. Qf3 [/ QUOTE ] (after 16...Re8) I think we can still play Qe7 there (Bg5 Qxe2 Bxf6 Qxf3+), or maybe Ne4.
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