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#561
07-30-2006, 11:11 PM
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Re: Qana
If this is only about two hostages then the moral claim is even lower than what Gillerman said to the UN (with a straight face yet, go figure).
At least the white wash of cleaning up the Hez has some logic (though not enough by far). 
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#562
07-30-2006, 11:17 PM
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Re: Qana
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If this is only about two hostages then the moral claim is even lower than what Gillerman said to the UN (with a straight face yet, go figure). At least the white wash of cleaning up the Hez has some logic (though not enough by far). [/ QUOTE ] I never said this is only about hostages. However, the hostages forced Israeli action. Unfortunately, this was brilliantly scripted on Iran and Syria's part.
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#563
07-30-2006, 11:20 PM
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Re: Qana
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[ QUOTE ] If this is only about two hostages then the moral claim is even lower than what Gillerman said to the UN (with a straight face yet, go figure). At least the white wash of cleaning up the Hez has some logic (though not enough by far). [/ QUOTE ] I never said this is only about hostages. However, the hostages forced Israeli action. Unfortunately, this was brilliantly scripted on Iran and Syria's part. [/ QUOTE ] This is what you said: [ QUOTE ] This has everything to do with hostages. [/ QUOTE ] This was just shortly before this post. What hair splitting am I missing? "Every thing to do with hostages" .... but "not only about the hostages".
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#564
07-30-2006, 11:28 PM
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Re: Qana
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If this is only about two hostages then the moral claim is even lower than what Gillerman said to the UN (with a straight face yet, go figure). At least the white wash of cleaning up the Hez has some logic (though not enough by far). [/ QUOTE ] I never said this is only about hostages. However, the hostages forced Israeli action. Unfortunately, this was brilliantly scripted on Iran and Syria's part. [/ QUOTE ] This is what you said: [ QUOTE ] This has everything to do with hostages. [/ QUOTE ] This was just shortly before this post. What hair splitting am I missing? "Every thing to do with hostages" .... but "not only about the hostages". [/ QUOTE ] The hostages forced Israel's hand. And a back-room deal which involved releasing said hostages could probably de-escalate the violence IMO. However, this doesn't change the fact that the hostages were the tipping point, not the root cause.
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#565
07-30-2006, 11:34 PM
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Re: Qana
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If this is only about two hostages then the moral claim is even lower than what Gillerman said to the UN (with a straight face yet, go figure). At least the white wash of cleaning up the Hez has some logic (though not enough by far). [/ QUOTE ] I never said this is only about hostages. However, the hostages forced Israeli action. Unfortunately, this was brilliantly scripted on Iran and Syria's part. [/ QUOTE ] This is what you said: [ QUOTE ] This has everything to do with hostages. [/ QUOTE ] This was just shortly before this post. What hair splitting am I missing? "Every thing to do with hostages" .... but "not only about the hostages". [/ QUOTE ] The hostages forced Israel's hand. And a back-room deal which involved releasing said hostages could probably de-escalate the violence IMO. However, this doesn't change the fact that the hostages were the tipping point, not the root cause. [/ QUOTE ] So, I guess you are withdrawing the "every thing to do with hostages" btw, I agree, this has little to with hostages.
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#566
07-30-2006, 11:39 PM
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Re: Qana
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If this is only about two hostages then the moral claim is even lower than what Gillerman said to the UN (with a straight face yet, go figure). At least the white wash of cleaning up the Hez has some logic (though not enough by far). [/ QUOTE ] I never said this is only about hostages. However, the hostages forced Israeli action. Unfortunately, this was brilliantly scripted on Iran and Syria's part. [/ QUOTE ] This is what you said: [ QUOTE ] This has everything to do with hostages. [/ QUOTE ] This was just shortly before this post. What hair splitting am I missing? "Every thing to do with hostages" .... but "not only about the hostages". [/ QUOTE ] The hostages forced Israel's hand. And a back-room deal which involved releasing said hostages could probably de-escalate the violence IMO. However, this doesn't change the fact that the hostages were the tipping point, not the root cause. [/ QUOTE ] So, I guess you are withdrawing the "every thing to do with hostages" btw, I agree, this has little to with hostages. [/ QUOTE ] This still has everything to do with the hostages, for all the reasons I've stated. You're being intentionally dense.
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#567
07-30-2006, 11:49 PM
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Re: Qana
I think there are dueling definitions of "this" confusing the issue.
If "this" is referring to precipitating the current conflict "this" has everything to do with the hostages. If "this" is referring to WHY the taking of hostages was able to precipitate the level of response, or if "this" is referring to the importance of the hostages in reaching a cease fire, than "this" has little to do with the hostages.
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#568
07-30-2006, 11:53 PM
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Re: Qana
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I think there are dueling definitions of "this" confusing the issue. If "this" is referring to precipitating the current conflict "this" has everything to do with the hostages. If "this" is referring to WHY the taking of hostages was able to precipitate the level of response, or if "this" is referring to the importance of the hostages in reaching a cease fire, than "this" has little to do with the hostages. [/ QUOTE ] I'll give ACPLAYER the benefit of the doubt and assume you're right.
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#569
07-31-2006, 12:26 AM
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Re: Qana
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I think there are dueling definitions of "this" confusing the issue. If "this" is referring to precipitating the current conflict "this" has everything to do with the hostages. If "this" is referring to WHY the taking of hostages was able to precipitate the level of response, or if "this" is referring to the importance of the hostages in reaching a cease fire, than "this" has little to do with the hostages. [/ QUOTE ] I'll give ACPLAYER the benefit of the doubt and assume you're right. [/ QUOTE ] Well, he gave you outs but you insist on putting your foot in your mouth: The definition of this per JMan: [ QUOTE ] I agree, Hezbollah should release its hostages so that we can end this. [/ QUOTE ] this here refers to the conflict as it is now happening, not the cause of the conflict. That is how I read this simple statement, "Hez releases ... we end this" btw, Israel would not be too pleased if the Hez released the hostages. Risking another Poker Player analogy, when I hold a straight flush, I dont want the opponent folding.
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