New Fight Question - Page 56

MuresanForMVP · #**551** 12-14-2006, 06:23 PM

smasharoo's just being a troll. nothing else to see here folks

GiantBuddha · #**552** 12-14-2006, 06:26 PM

Ali has gloves on. This matters.

MuresanForMVP · #**553** 12-14-2006, 06:26 PM

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Muhammad Ali against a pro wrestler in Japan

http://www.mutantfrog.com/2006/11/15...antonio-inoki/

Ali was completely ineffective at damaging the wrestler and the wrestler had him on the ground once and Ali was covering his head cowering like a girl. It only got stood up because of an elbow to the face. GG smasharoo.

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that match was horrible

blackize · #**554** 12-14-2006, 06:30 PM

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Ali has gloves on. This matters.

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I know. As far as I could tell though Ali didn't land a punch. The point of posting the video was to show how ineffective boxing technique is once someone starts fighting you outside the rules of boxing.

Smasharoo · #**555** 12-14-2006, 06:32 PM

Ali was completely ineffective at damaging the wrestler and the wrestler had him on the ground once and Ali was covering his head cowering like a girl. It only got stood up because of an elbow to the face. GG smasharoo.

Hahahaha.

I almost thought you were serious for a minute there. Professional wrestler, joke exhebition match, case closed!

Pure ignorance. Michael Jordan would get taken down in less than 5 seconds by a high school wrestler

Hahaha. You guys are the best. Basketball, boxing, simmilar requirements in terms of handspeed and reflexes. Hahaha. Alas, the fact that this is the best you can do doesn't bother you at all?

"Yeah, well a guy from a completely unrelated sport with completely unrelated physical atributes would lose to a high school kid in five seconds 11!!!oneone!eleven!"

Also, you have no idea what would happen. Jordan might pin the kid instantly if there was $5000 riding on it.

Anyway, I'm done with this. You guys can continue on in happy great white hope fantasy land for as long as you like and then be surprised when boxers dominate UFC events if the purses ever become high enough for them to bother, which, of course, they won't.

John Kilduff · #**556** 12-14-2006, 06:33 PM

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Not 9/10 times but probably 8/10. It's much easier to dodge a punch than it is to dodge a kick to the lower body. Are you really so confident that the MMA fighter would be unable to get a hold of just one leg of Ali's? Because once he gets a hold of that leg the fight is getting moved to the ground and now amount of agility and punching power will save him down there.

Right, Ali looses to, I don't know, Matt Hughes? He's about the same weight, no? Anyway, 8 times out of 10.

Got it. There's a new Rocky movie coming out, I wouldn't miss it if I were you.

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Is a UCFer is just going to grab George Foreman's legs for a takedown and simply shrug off a rabbit punch that has George's full body weight behind it? That is to say, the UCFer doesn't get his neck broken by that rabbit punch, doesn't get KO'ed, and doesn't even get stunned for a couple of seconds (which would probably be fight-ending, too). The UCFer just ignores it and completes the takedown. I don't think it's that easy.

Wrestlers counter leg takedowns all the time by splaying their legs out against the takedown and dropping their body weight on the guy trying the takedown. All a George Foreman has to do is see that on TV a few times (and who wants to bet that he hasn't) and do something similar except that instead of just using his weight on the guy and then grappling, he rabbit punches him instead with his weight behind it while splaying out his legs against the shoot. A wrestler or UCFer trying a standard leg takedown against ol' George would potentially be risking a broken neck. Sure the takedown might get through and work but so might the counter. And the counter could be totally devastating with no rules against rabbit punching.

On another note, it is optimistic to presume that a UCFer could simply kick at Ali's legs and keep getting away with it. Ali was fast with a capital F. When you kick, you are temporarily off balance and rooted in one place. If Ali can move so as to have the kick glance away, he could close soooo fast and deliver a devastating combination. Kicking is not all it's cracked up to be in real fighting. There are reasons hand techniques are generally considered superior.

At the risk of being misinterpreted over the above, I'll also state that style-wise I definitely do give the edge the UCFer. But those guys thinking it's a near lock are way off, especially when you consider the quality of athletes themselves. Yes, UCF style > boxing style, but it's not miles apart as many think. And the best boxers are simply superior athletes to the best UCFers and that has to count for something. So overall it's a lot closer than most of the UCF fans in this thread seem to think. (By the way, my background is primarily judo and wrstling, but I have also dabbled in aikido, boxing and even pre-BBJ jujitsu.)

If there's one thing I would say about these threads, it's that the contests would probably be closer than most think, especially since we're not talking about the average practitioner but rather the top athlete in each style in the world, and a no rules fight. People get all excited about this stuff and have their pet favorite styles and fighters and all, but fighting in general is closer than most think. I believe the MAN in question is often much more important than the STYLE, yet so many in this thread are arguing as if only the style matters.

Smasharoo · #**557** 12-14-2006, 06:33 PM

smasharoo's just being a troll. nothing else to see here folks

Not at all. Kind of you to take a break from your hall monitoring job to comment though, I suppose.

See, that was trolling. No content, off topic. Combined with your post, it makes a delicous useless post sandwich.

GiantBuddha · #**558** 12-14-2006, 06:34 PM

I think he landed a couple of jabs, but to no effect. It really was uncomfortable to watch, though. lol. That's an interesting strategy against someone who only punches, though, laying on your back. It pretty much takes away Ali's effectiveness. I'd imagine you'd get some serious mat burn, though. Ali supposedly has a black belt in Taekwon-Do or Karate, but his kicks look pretty pathetic.

blackize · #**559** 12-14-2006, 06:38 PM

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I almost thought you were serious for a minute there. Professional wrestler, joke exhebition match, case closed!

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Apparently a man famous for his ego, Ali, would take an exhibition match with the intent of looking like a pussy for millions to see.

Anyways I'm done with you smash, you're too stupid to debate on the actual points of my argument and resort to sarcastic comments as if they help your cause.

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John Kilduff · #**560** 12-14-2006, 06:40 PM

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I think he landed a couple of jabs, but to no effect. It really was uncomfortable to watch, though. lol. That's an interesting strategy against someone who only punches, though, laying on your back. It pretty much takes away Ali's effectiveness. I'd imagine you'd get some serious mat burn, though. Ali supposedly has a black belt in Taekwon-Do or Karate, but his kicks look pretty pathetic.

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If you are talking about the Ali-Inoki match, that was essentially a promoted stunt to make money. Neither fighter had any incentive to risk serious injury or loss of status. The outcome of the fight had no effect on the compensation either fighter received, and no significant impact on the furtherance of their careers.

In a no rules fight, a strategy of staying on your back or in crab position would be inferior.